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International Stuff

Hey, since you're sort of around today, when you get a chance, take a look at Sesamstrasse. For the past couple months, Henrik and I have been experimenting on the international pages, using a clean chart to track character names, translations, and dubbing actors. Most have been fairly compact, but with Muppets Tonight (Germany), I felt more ambitious, so I added a big old chart of every character with a name change or voice actor that I can confirm, major or minor (from records, NDR, the Sesamstrassen-fanclub, etc.) It could probably use some tweaking, but when you get a chance, I'd like your opinion. (I don't think it would work so well on Die Muppet Show, with a lot of recasts and very few name changes, or Sesamstraat and other shows where more than half the Muppets are dubbed by the same two or three people; a list works better there). I'm also fiddling with the gallery stuff on some of the movie dub pages where only a few names are known, like Die Reise ins Labyrinth, which I think looks nicer when there's not a lot to say or illustrate. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the tables on Sesamstraat and Muppets Tonight (Germany) look great! Really clean and easy to understand, even with the recasts. It's easy to scan through it... I like the bit about Guy Smiley's German name being based on a German quizmaster. Very cool!
I would suggest one tweak, which is to include the names even if they're the same as the ones in English -- it took me a minute to figure out why Ernie and Bert had a blue link for "see International Ernie for full list", but Cookie Monster didn't -- it's because the link is in the other column. That wasn't clear to me, as I was scanning down the right column. I'll show you what I mean -- you can revert if you don't like it. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 23:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Along the same lines... on the German Muppets Tonight chart, do some characters not have German names because they had the same name as they do in English, or do we just not know what their German names were? I think if we include the names when we know they're the same as English, then that's more clear. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't include the name at all if it's the same. If it's unknown, there's a question mark. I'd rather not repeat the name if it's unchanged, and it tends to look silly. Maybe something like "NA" (not applicable) or just "untranslated"? Especially in cases like Ernie and Bert when we have a full international chart (the only reason for the extra link stuff there is because Bert, Cookie, and Ernie have all had more than three performers, so it made more sense to do the see also, especially since those have pictures, than to try to cram them all in). There, it looks okay to note cases where they're just Ernie, but isolated in a table, it looks very awkward. I can see how just the blank can be confusion, though, so something else in there would work, and in fact would make for easier reading if several characters have no name changes. As for cases where we don't know what the name is, the more I think about it, probably "unknown" would work best just as we've been using it on the character pages for unidentified voice actors and such. Heading off shortly, but I'll take a look at it later. Anyway, these are just the latest. Look around, a bunch of pages have been converted (Die Fraggles, Fragglene, Stinkie en Boudewijn Show, El Oso de la Casa Azul, and a bunch more), if any other questions arise. I haven't been using it in cases where there are no name changes, or Sesamstraat or Le Muppet Show, where one person dubs six to ten characters and a list is easier to read. Also been trying things on El Cuentacuentos and Farscape (France), to deal with those shows where we have substantial information on who dubbed the guest stars/episodic actors. Now I must poof, more on this later. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, just made an adjustment to Muppets Tonight (Germany), and under the "German Name" heading, using "Unchanged" or "Unknown" as appropriate. Let me know how that strikes you. I'd prefer that to repeating the name, and it makes it easier at a glance to see which characters haven't been altered, where even the species name either hasn't been translated or just isn't used at all. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 05:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Who made that cookie jar?

Hey Danny -- check out Sesame Street cookie jars (Demand Marketing). Those are some of the ones you uploaded to Sesame Street cookie jars (California Originals) last night :). I remember that at least one of them I saw a nice shot of the stamp on the bottom and it was clearly Demand Marketing -- are they a distributor for California Originals or something? -- Wendy (talk) 20:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Demand Marketing is another name for California Originals -- possibly it's the distributor. I saw this one labeled California Originals, and then this one as Demand Marketing... It's obvious that those two are made by the same company.
It's also possible that the site that I was looking at mis-labeled the first jar... so maybe the sculpted-figure jars are California, and the cannister jars are Demand Marketing. I hadn't really thought of that -- I sort of jumped to the conclusion that they were the same thing. What do you think? -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I think I did the opposite: decided they were all Demand Marketing. So the latter does exist; I looked back up some of the auctions. Check out the picture of the bottom of the jar here and here. However, this seller says that a stamp of "Demand Marketing" and an incised "USA" could mean it was a California Original (or a McCoy). I'll see if I can find any actual backup for that last idea, but given what we normally base stuff on for the wiki pages, I think they belong in Demand Marketing for now.  ?? -- Wendy (talk) 23:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Here's something else... The McCoy Store says that this jar is by Demand Marketing, and this one is California Originals. So I think it's fair to say that the ones that are currently on Demand Marketing are by them, and the others are by California Originals. And if we find out different, then we change it later. What do you think? -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good :). -- Wendy (talk) 01:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Caroll Spinney interview

Hi, Danny! I noticed that Kermit Love's death made the front page of Yahoo for a little while the other day and I noticed that in the corner of the article, there was a video clip about Caroll Spinney. They've now moved the video clip to here. I don't know if we can use anything from it, or if we can link to it (I'm not sure how long Yahoo/AP clips stay active), but I thought it was a really neat interview, with some great shots of the street set with the lights and cameras and everything. So I just wanted to point that out to you. Do you think we can use anything from it (screengrabs/stills/whatever)? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 03:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Does it Matter

Hello, I was wondering if I am aloud to put images to my user page so I can make my own episodes starting from Episode 3982? Webkinz Mania 22:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you can do pretty much anything you like on your user page... I don't know what you mean about making your own episodes, though. Do you want to make more episode guide pages? -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 23:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry. Some episodes I don't like but I will still have time. I have a couple episodes on hand but I need a break for a couple weeks. Webkinz Mania 23:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
By the way it's easy! Webkinz Mania 23:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, sure -- I just wasn't sure what you meant about your user page. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Other people should do it too. Webkinz Mania 23:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

The Site Notice tag at the top of the page was very welcome. I kept trying to figure out if it was just my damn computer again or the Wiki, and was just about to email you when I saw what you did! -- Nate (talk) 16:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Characters

Having a hard time fixing them because of IE troubles (another bug which was pre-existing but only applied to ads, and so hasn't affected Wikia until now). Anyway, a friendly reminder, and I can't dig up the conversation from early in the Wiki history, alter-egos like Alistair Cookie or even Rosenthal can count as characters within their respective universes, but not as Muppet characters (since they're generally the same or only slightly modified puppets). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that's fair. I didn't remember that. By the way -- I hate to say this, cause it's not your fault, but would you consider downloading Firefox? It seems like IE is just one problem after another. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 06:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
IE is better for everything else, such as NetFlix instant viewing which doesn't work on Mozilla, to name just one which is pretty vital to me. And the IE bug is caused by an issue with the ads, unlike the spacing one, so Wikia really needs to fix that (and there's a related bug which affects other browsers, why Peter thought the change had already gone through, so ads don't appear; sometimes with a "Loaded, but with Errors" message, but most people ignore that). I have Firefox as an alternative but with the sole exceptions of these issues and Internet Archive versions of websites with flash, everything else I use habitually runs better in IE or won't work at all in Firefox. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 07:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the ad stuff will definitely get fixed... I know the tech folks are working on it now. What Peter noticed wasn't actually a bug -- the ads were turned off for about an hour on Sunday morning, and he happened to come to the site during that hour. If IE is working for you otherwise, then that totally makes sense. It sucks that it's such a pain for Wikia; it's constantly frustrating for me to see that we're not testing things enough in IE. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 14:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Gutentag

Looking around the Sesamstrasse fansite Tony mentioned, I found they've recently added episode guides, like ours: see here. I downloaded a few episodes myself (unlike Plaza Sesamo, they use episode numbering like the US show does, making it easier to create episode pages at some point). I don't know when I'll get around to it, but I thought you'd like to know, if only to look at the cute German Muppet pictures. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that's awesome! We should figure out a way to say hi to them, and make sure that they know that they can use our stuff as a resource if they want it. Darn these language barriers. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and this is just lovely. That just makes my wiki heart go pitta-pat. We're gonna translate all that and steal it, right? :) -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I just looked at Babelfish's translation; here are some highlights...
"Feli does not have today to nothing at all desire."
"A violent storm raves in the Sesamstraße. Finchen recognizes why: the wind must always sneeze."
"Rumpel and super Grautsch try, uncanny rumbling on would creep to come."
"If Samson rises to a jack, horse flies to air. That provides for Turbolenzen."
So there you have it. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I know I'm not babbelfish but I would translate it into this, with my trusted German-Danish dictionary, it took a bit of time, since first I had to translate into Danish and then translate into English......
"Feli don't feel like doing anything today"
"A violent storm raves Sesamstraße. Finchen knows why: the wind is sneezing" Explanation Finchen is propperly talking to the wind due to his special ability to talk to things that people not normal can see or speak to such as a stamp, thunder, a alarm clock, a echo and Antibodies.
"Rumpel and Super-Grautsch investigates the origin of a scary noise"
"When Samson came on the seesaw, Pferd was sent flying through the air. That incident caused some confusion." Are a bit unsure about the last part since Turbolenzen can mean confusion, chaos, divergence and Turbulence according to my trusted dictionary. Henrik (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Celebrating Jim

Say, do you remember where you found this and in what context? It's a great picture, but it caused mild confusion on the talk page, since it clearly doesn't match the actual special (to me, it looks much later). That was almost two years ago now, but if you can dig up anything to tie it to the special, it would be good to mention it (otherwise, we may want to find another home for it). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 05:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I responded there... Thanks for the heads up! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 05:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Wheeee. Like old times tonight, everyone on the Wiki at the same time. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Grover in the Dell

In case you missed it just now, take a look at Talk:Farmer Grover for the picture I mentioned, which is everything a late 70s/early 80s Grover picture should be. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes! That is thoroughly adorable. Awww, I love Grover. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi! I was just curious what taking out "Noeditsection" does. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 05:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Noeditsection is a little control thing that takes the [edit] links off the headers. We'd been using it because there was a bug that pushed the edit links down if there were too many pictures above the header. That bug's just been fixed, ta dah, so now we can take the noeditsection things out! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 05:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Great! I'm happy whenever a bug gets fixed. And it's great having you adding tons of stuff again! -- Ken (talk) 05:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I've finally gotten some time off from working, so I'm able to get back to the important things in life. :) -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 05:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
It must be hard for you, though, because your "fun" wikis must get intertwined with stuff at work, like when something's not working right. I don't know how you're able to set aside time for yourself when wikis never close! -- Ken (talk) 05:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Halloweencookie.jpg

Holy crap -- Cookie Monster as a mummy! Is there anything greater in life? —Scott (talk) 15:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, isn't that the greatest? I have a bunch more holiday Sesame stuff in that line that I'll be adding later today. I love vacations. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 18:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Keeping the stats

Hi, Danny! When I was over Andrew's house last month, we were talking about the stats, and I was wondering if I could update them whenever Wikia does their update. If you'd rather have only admins work on it, I understand, but I just wanted to ask you, since I'm on here almost every night, and I know you guys are busy with all kinds of other things right now. Let me know what you think. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 04:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Damn, it's been forever, hasn't it? Sorry! I haven't been doing it because there's a new version of the stats that they've been working on for months and months... it's still not finished. So I was thinking I would wait for the new stats to be finished. But that's taking forever, so I might as well update it anyway. I have access to it on a test site, so I'll use that... New ones will be up soon. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 05:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Hope you have a happy 4th! I'll be working on some more records I just got! -- Ken (talk) 05:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The again

Hey, just to clarify, what is your current policy on "The" prefixing articles? I saw you just moved Muse, for example (which is how the character is identified in the credits, and in dialogue he just says he's "a muse," but a lot of articles use "The" at the beginning just because it sounds better). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 02:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I don't have a policy or anything. It just seemed like something to do. We can move it back if that's not right. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 03:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I asked because we had that whole conversation on The Prefixed List ages ago. Thanks for moving it back, then. Just wanted to check, since you are a man of many moods, and I can never be sure when you've changed your mind or just forgotten. :) -- Andrew Leal (talk) 05:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Mostly I just forget things, and that makes me moody. Thanks for asking about it. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 05:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The right to arm bears

Samson plush is endearingly odd. I just uploaded a digital photo of my own much-loved Radar plush. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Yay, I like it too. I found that at a site called Elmo and Friends -- which has lots of cool stuff. I'll be plundering some more, and we should write to the person & tell them to come to the wiki. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Ack! The Radar plush picture is amazing! Yay. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 21:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! The Elmo and Friends site has one too, but it differs so completely from mine (in coloring, materials, etc.) that I wonder if their version is either much later or from another company (since apparently Applause also did a Radar at one point). I think mine more closely resembles the real Radar, but obviously I'm biased. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 21:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I have a picture of the Applause one... I scanned it at the archives. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 21:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The Sesame Street Family Album

Dude, do you have this? I just won it from eBay, and haven't gotten around to scanning or adding info yet. —Scott (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It was at the CTW archives... I scanned the whole thing. :) I can add it... -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 16:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Song Lyrics

I'm curious about whether adding the lyrics to songs is allowed or if there is already pages with lyrics. Methusalich 13:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry... Posting song lyrics is seen as a violation of the songwriter's copyright, and it's something that websites get sued for. So we can't post full song lyrics here. If you're writing about a song, feel free to include a quote from the song, with part of the lyrics in it. For the most part, what we do is write about the song -- who sings it, where it's performed, whether it's been released on CD, that kind of thing. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ernestine and Ads

Hey, I don't know if this is because of the planned change or just an impulse, but do we really need to duplicate the Ernestine image on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In? It's already in the gallery, and the addition just gives the ad something else to push down, so I'm not sure it really adds anything. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Just an impulse. I like having pictures at the top of the page. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Can I take it out, though? It's not at the top anymore, and instead appears at odd angles to the gallery. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 04:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. No problem. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Who knew?

In case you missed it, we have confirmation that Kermit Love has passed on, alas (but at the age of 91, which is a very antihistimine age). And according to the New York Times and other sources which mention his "long-term partner" Christopher Ryall, who also helped Love with costuming and choreographed one Muppet special, you can add him to your GD list (and in an unrelated addition, also Jock Soto). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 17:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

!!! That's very interesting; thanks for letting me know! I'm sad to hear that he died, but it's nice to know that he had a loving partner... and for such a long time. It's beautiful. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 18:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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