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  • With the new Muppet Babies series coming up, I thought it would be a good time to focus some attention on our episode guide for the original Muppet Babies. It's going to be a popular search item with the new show ramping up, so I've put together a list of episode pages that could use some love.

    As with everything on the wiki, this is an ongoing project. Sometimes new folks ask what they can work on, so I'll be including this thread at Special:Community which is linked in every welcome message for new contributors and is highlighted on the side of every article on the wiki.

    If you worked on an episode page and feel like it's been sufficiently expanded on, respond here and I'll strike it out on the list mark it on the Sandbox linked below. As for what "expanding" means... well, there's really no rigid rules on that: an article is never "done" on a wiki. I'd say that if you added a couple of paragraphs worth of a synopsis to a page that only previously had a brief description, that qualifies for striking it from the list. We can always add to it later. As you do on wikis ;)

    Please feel free to ask questions, but keep the thread conversation relevant to the expansion of Muppet Babies episode guides on the wiki. Off-topic responses will be removed, so thanks for your cooperation on that.

    EDIT: a Sandbox incorporating the following list has since been established at Sandbox:Muppet Babies episodes

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    • In addendum: there are lots of Muppet Babies songs redlinked on existing pages. I'm not sure all of those are accurately titled, but feel free to expand and create those anew, too. ASCAP and BMI have all the legal titles which can be found with a little digging around.

      A reminder also that we don't transcribe lyrics, but you can detail what the song is about.

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    • Yeah, the episodes have needed to be expanded for a long time now. Thanks for bringing this up, Scott.

      I have quite a few episodes in the list there, so I could probably try and get around to adding more detail to their pages. Also, for what it's worth, a lot of the episodes have been posted on YouTube by spam channels, however, of course, they are modified to bypass the copyright filter. :-/

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    • Were any of these in that Spanish (?) collection of episodes you sent us?

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    • Is there an episode we'd consider the "gold standard" for a good Muppet Babies episode page? Looking at a lot of the episode pages right now, there is no clearly or strongly established format/template being used for organizing the pages.

      Section headings (in no particular order) currently used on various episode pages:

      • Notes
      • Trivia
      • References
      • Clips/References
      • Rhymes (313 & 611)
      • Video Game Footage (701)
      • Go bye-bye!
      • Supporting cast
      • Roles
      • Songs
      • Gallery
      • Video Releases
      • Edits


      Based on what we've done for other series, I propose we somewhat standardize the overall format, sections and order of information. My suggestion would be something along the following:

      • Introduction - No heading (pre-TOC), short episode summary (1-2 sentences) and info box.
      • Plot - Detailed episode synopsis (can be long and multi-paragraph)
      • Songs - List of songs in episode with links to song pages
      • References - List of film/TV/literary/etc references, video clips and film footage used, things parodied, etc.
      • Characters - List of the cast of characters featured in episode (good to note which ones had appearances by Busen/Beaker/Bean/etc.); could also note roles played if substantial/relevant/interesting - such as "Baby Gonzo (as Gon Zolo), Baby Fozzie (as Fozz-Wocka),.."
      • Video Releases - List home video releases
      • Edits - List any edits made for syndication, home video, international markets, etc.
      • Notes - Bullet-point list of additional notes, trivia or fun facts that don't fit elsewhere
      • Gallery - Gallery of additional pictures
      • Footer sections - See also, sources, episode navigation, categories, etc.


      Thoughts?

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    • That line-up makes sense. As with other pages, we don't need a bunch of empty headers though (just mentioning this for newbies), but we can certainly add them when there's info to put there.

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    • I'm in favor of an established format too - it's inconsistent throughout all the episodes. I would keep Galleries, with the section using only like 10-15 images (Noisy Neighbors has at least 20!). As for captions...I don't know if we need those. If we're going to have a detailed plot section for all the episodes, captions may be unnecessary at this point.

      Also, I agree with the Go-bye-byes being on their own page - why they were on some of those episode pages I don't know, but I don't like them there.

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    • I also support a consistent format for all of them.

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    • SchfiftyThree wrote: Also, I agree with the Go-bye-byes being on their own page - why they were on some of those episode pages I don't know, but I don't like them there.

      I created Sandbox:Go bye-bye! to track the tags. I think it's awkward to go into such detail on the individual episode pages (especially on pages where the description of the 15-second post-credit tag is longer than the whole plot summary of the episode).

      Maybe we turn it into a table or gallery with photos of each one.

      Scott mentioned that some may have been swapped for syndication and/or recycled so that might be fun to track too.

      I'm sure there's more to be said about the catch-phrase too. In Episode 113 they break the fourth wall - after Animal dumps water on Baby Scooter he says "Go Bye Bye!" and Baby Piggy tells him the show isn't over yet. We could also mention how the "Go Bye Bye" tag is similar to adult Animal's post-credit tags in The Muppet Movie ("Go Home!") and The Muppets Take Manhattan ("Bye Bye! Bye Bye!").

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    • SchfiftyThree wrote:
       

      Also, I agree with the Go-bye-byes being on their own page - why they were on some of those episode pages I don't know, but I don't like them there.

      I think I'm the one who started that. I thought it would be cool to list what happens in the tags for each episode (giving them the "go bye-bye" header because I was unsure of the right word, which I eventually thought would be "tag" without making changes). They're like their own little segment for the show. 

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    • BradFraggle wrote:

      I'm sure there's more to be said about the catch-phrase too. In Episode 113 they break the fourth wall - after Animal dumps water on Baby Scooter he says "Go Bye Bye!" and Baby Piggy tells him the show isn't over yet. We could also mention how the "Go Bye Bye" tag is similar to adult Animal's post-credit tags in The Muppet Movie ("Go Home!") and The Muppets Take Manhattan ("Bye Bye! Bye Bye!").



      And there's also the book Animal Go Bye-Bye

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    • I created Sandbox:Muppet Babies episodes to help us all track which pages have full plot summaries and/or more than one picture (not counting title cards).

      Some notable/interesting episodes that may benefit from expansion:

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    • Cool, cool. I added the sandbox page to the first post in this thread.

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    • Say, what's the rule for links on episode pages? It's kind of a minor question, but since we're having a characters section now (and including links for every character in it), do we include links to character pages in the intro/plot sections as well? I've been getting a little confused on what the convention is supposed to be.

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    • Last bullet on Article Style.

      Yeah, it's okay to links characters in both the synopsis and the character list.

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    • I just expanded a bunch on "Beauty and the Schnoz", so that can be struck out.

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    • Sweet! I see you already marked it on the Sandbox page. I took the list off my first post as I think it's easier for us all to just update the Sandbox as we go along.

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    • Hey, I just signed on. Is edit permission universal or do I have to pass a Muppets themed exam to become accredited? I've got the first 2 or 3 seasons on my media server and I don't see why I shouldn't waste time I don't have contributing to a few pages. :D

      Disregard, I reread above. Well, I had someone read it to me, anyway. 

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    • Nope, there's no grace period :) We have a team of admins who watch Special:Recentchanges closely, so if you need any help, one of us will hop in.

      Make sure you check out the FAQ (short) and the Guidelines (too long to read as a beginner, but something to be aware of) which are both at Special:Community which is linked in the "Get Started" button on the right side of every article, if you need to find it again.

      Welcome!

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    • I'll fix up a few of these if I can, but can I make a suggestion? I know only a handful have made it to video, but shouldn't we put the video releases into the episode template?

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    • Sure, I just added a field to the Episode template.

      Just add |video= after the director field.

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    • This isn't quite in the scope of episode expansion, but I'm wondering if the Yes, I Can videos ought to get its own page. They're direct-to-video, have original storylines, and contain useful notes and credits which hardly exist around the site (I just added David Gumpel's directing credit to his page).

      Does anyone else think it's worthy enough?

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    • Would it make sense to do them like Muppet Babies Video Storybooks, or do you think there's enough to say about each of them to justify their own pages?

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    • I probably would say the latter. For one, each video has its own title card, which could go in a video template at the top. Second, there's the souvenirs which came with the videos from during the time they were first being sold. And third, I noticed when watching them this week that the performers are different amongst the videos - for instance, Joey Mazzarino's an additional performer on one of them, and both he and Alice Dinnean are credited on another.

      However, if the videos were all detailed on one page, like the Storybooks page, then it would allow some broader pieces of info, like the theme song, to be noted. There's also the montage of episodes during the theme, which probably would be useful to list, but it would be difficult to do that if the videos were broken into their own pages.

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    • It sounds like you you've got a good handle on it. Why don't you give them a go as their own individual pages?

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    • Thinking about this again, I feel the YIC videos might be better with one page instead. There's enough sections (Plot, Notes, Credits, etc.) that could detail the series as a whole, and I think having the videos' credits on individual pages would look kind of awkward compared to just a whole one, like on Sesame Street Stories.

      With that in mind, I'll go ahead and get this started.

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