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  • For years, it's been assumed that Jim Henson did the animation for these segments, because his voice is often heard in them. But did he really have any involvement besides voices? Has anyone seen written or photographic proof of him working with clay? (The revelation of Walt Teas as the narrator in some of them made me curious.)

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    • If there's no proof hactually directed the segments, then it should probably be taken out for now. 

      Otherwise, I haven't found much info regarding who worked with the clay/directed thsegments. 

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    • According to Andrew in Thread:237665, "Jim Henson did the first season clay segments".

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    • We know he was working with stop-motion at that time (clay is the same technique, just using those instead of squares or figures) and in other ways, and I've seen the same attributions (which is what I was going by in the other thread). Maybe we can check with Karen Falk or MOMI or someone if we feel we need exact proof. It's true we don't have any shots of him working with any specific segments. I feel like I saw a "Henson" attribution to one or more of these in the CTW archive scans but can't find and confirm it right now.

      I don't think the use of other voices besides Jim Henson really means anything one way or the other). But interviews with Flo Ayres (Teas, I'd have to listen and compare with the Prime Minister and some radio reference I have for him to see which of these he did; apart from comparisons, it's the fact that he and Ayres were in Washington at the same time) only refer to working with (and being cast by) Jim Henson on the spot, but not specifically what he did (we've seen shots of him doing other animation stuff alone with his camera, but it wouldn't surprise me if stop-motion veteran Don Sahlin or others were involved).

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      Aha, found it: "Henson Clay" (specifically for the E segment, from the running time).

      At the very least that means he produced the segments (sometimes the person we have as "Artist" for animated segments is the director, sometimes a producer, sometimes the same person did it all but usually there were individuals doing the actual animation). Checking, the phrase used on most of the pages right now is "Jim Henson clay animation," so that seems fair enough to me (if we feel we need to add "produced" just in case he didn't personally direct, that's fine, although I personally think it's pretty likely, given the other stop-motion segments he did).

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    • The scripts I have for the EKAs we list for each segment don't have any information beyond referring to them as "Henson Clay" segments. Episode 0001 just calls the snake segment "Henson S". So, not any more of a smoking gun than Andrew's research, but at least something beyond just the transcripts from the archive people.

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    • There's a Red Book article that mentions Jim Henson collaborated with Marc Chinoy on some claymation segments: Red Book Article I wonder if Chinoy did animated segments without Henson's involvement. 

      Do first season scripts list an animator for the episode number sequence?

      Of the ones I've seen, I've only heard Henson's voice in the S film as well as either Q or U (can't remember which one). Of course just because his voice isn't heard doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

      The First Season Show Content lists a number of claymation segments besides the letter ones. Of course the feelings segment is online. Most of the non-letter segments (plus the E segment) identified as being in claymation have "dump" listed by them, while most of the letters have "use infreq" by them (and I haven't seen any post season one episode pages that mention showing any of those letter segments). I did list many of those segments (going by what the first season show content pages say) at Sandbox: Unidentified Sesame Street Segments.

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      Additionally, there's a segment listed as "Awake" which has "DUMP" by it but also "save stop motion", though "stop motion" doesn't mean claymation, but it's one dumped segment where they at least planned to continue showing the claymation. Of course there's no episode numbers listed by it either, so it might not have aired. 

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    • Are there any where Henson doesn't provide the voice? If it's still called "Henson Clay" in the scripts, I'd say that's confirmation that he produced/animated them.

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    • Scarecroe wrote:
      Are there any where Henson doesn't provide the voice? If it's still called "Henson Clay" in the scripts, I'd say that's confirmation that he produced/animated them.

      I've only heard Henson's voice in the S and Q segments. But yeah, the scripts saying that he was involved means he was, even if he didn't do voices in all of them.

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    • He voices the eagle in the "E" segment. Also, that same segment ends with a piano riff used in the "Wizard of Id" pilot (before the epilogue), so there's another connection.

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