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  • I was updating the page for Together We Make Music today; I was going to change the song's date from 1999 to 1998, because it appears that the song's first appearance was in episode 3814 (which supposedly aired 12/24/1998), but I decided not to. I discovered some time ago that the episode airdates for Season 30 do not match my PBS affiliate's original airdates. I speculate that long ago the current S30 airdates were changed based on past seasons' airdate schedules so they'd be consistent, but I don't see any evidence or source for those changes. To use an example, episode 3804 originally had 12/31/1998 as its airdate until March 2008, when Guillermo changed it to 12/10.

    Since I don't see any evidence for his change(s), I'd like to share my PBS station's original broadcast schedule for the season in order to reach a consensus. Since I recorded each episode's airing of the season back then (including summer reruns), I trust the schedule as a source.


    • Episode 3786-3790: 11/16/1998–11/20/1998 (reran 12/07/1998–12/11/1998)
    • Episode 3791-3795: 11/23/1998–11/27/1998 (reran 12/14/1998–12/18/1998)
    • Episode 3796-3800: 11/30/1998–12/04/1998 (reran 12/21/1998–12/25/1998)
    • Episode 3801-3805: 12/28/1998–01/01/1999 (reran 01/18/1999–01/22/1999)
    • Episode 3806-3810: 01/04/1999–01/08/1999 (reran 01/25/1999–01/29/1999)
    • Episode 3811-3815: 01/11/1999–01/15/1999 (reran 02/01/1999–02/05/1999)
    • Episode 3816-3820: 02/08/1999–02/12/1999 (reran 03/01/1999–03/05/1999)
    • Episode 3821-3825: 02/15/1999–02/19/1999 (reran 03/08/1999–03/12/1999)
    • Episode 3826-3830: 02/22/1999–02/26/1999 (reran 03/15/1999–03/19/1999)
    • Episode 3831-3835: 03/22/1999–03/26/1999 (reran 04/12/1999–04/16/1999)
    • Episode 3836-3840: 03/29/1999–04/02/1999 (reran 04/19/1999–04/23/1999)
    • Episode 3841-3845: 04/05/1999–04/09/1999 (reran 04/26/1999–04/30/1999)


    Thoughts/comments?

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    • I will point out something that has been brought up somewhere on the wiki before, regarding the air date. Many Sesame Street songs are copyrighted the year that the original season ended (even the theme song is typically copyrighted 1970 instead of 1969). 

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    • CTWorg-April1999

      I checked the schedule through the old CTW site (pictured) and the April 1999 schedule (the only one I could see) follows what you've listed here. I'm in favor of re-evaluating these and fixing them. We have a similar issue with the Season 4 airdates that never got resolved, unfortunately.

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    • What's your PBS affiliate? This, again, may be in your region only.

      But, yeah, if this is earlier than the dates we have here, it's better to just change them over.

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    • I think it aired different times at different places.

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    • Brainulator9 wrote: What's your PBS affiliate? This, again, may be in your region only.

      IPTV.

      I also think if we're going to change the dates, then I'd like to hear MuppetVJ's voice on this, since he's the user who switched the airdates to what they currently are.

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    • Iowa Public Television? That's just for the state of Iowa and not cities. But yeah, the region itself looks stable enough.

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    • Different stations do have different airing schedules (I have four PBS channels that broadcast SS, each one a different episode basically). However, I think the fact that the CTW schedule, which isn't based on any region, supports what Matt has listed, I think it's a safe bet he's correct.

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    • Oscarfan wrote: Different stations do have different airing schedules (I have four PBS channels that broadcast SS, each one a different episode basically). However, I think the fact that the CTW schedule, which isn't based on any region, supports what Matt has listed, I think it's a safe bet he's correct.

      I never said he was incorrect. That said, if CTW supports his claims, then they're correct by nature.

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    • So are you saying it's '98 or '99?

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    • Gordwhimlpattes wrote: So are you saying it's '98 or '99?

      It's not the year we're concerned about, it's the dates themselves we're talking about.

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    • It's possible we may need to re-evaluate our air dates for season 31 as well.

      I found this article saying that "Put a Lid on It" debuted on April 21st, 2000. However, the season, according to us, fully aired at that point. Episode 3900 aired on that day, according to the archived CTW site, and PBS descriptions for that episode mention the Squirrel Nut Zippers' appearance. So, either it was added in re-runs, or season 31 followed a similar, sporadic air date schedule.

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    • Wait, the EKA for that song says 3916, which is the season 32 premiere. The article for Episode 3900 does not mention incomplete video material, and Episode 3900 is listed as having premiered on March 10, 2000. But there's no archival for March 2000...

      Oh, no, are we going to have to redo all pre-Muppet Wiki seasons' airdates?!?!

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    • Brainulator9 wrote: Wait, the EKA for that song says 3916, which is the season 32 premiere. The article for Episode 3900 does not mention incomplete video material, and Episode 3900 is listed as having premiered on March 10, 2000. But there's no archival for March 2000...

      Oh, no, are we going to have to redo all pre-Muppet Wiki seasons' airdates?!?!

      EKA means "earliest known," not first. The #3916 omits the waiter Grover scene at the beginning anyhow, so it can't be the first airing. Sprout's made a number of edits to certain shows (such as episode 3817 and episode 3952); we've just assumed they were full edits, as they often match the original PBS airings.

      We don't need to re-evaluate all the seasons pre-Muppet Wiki. These seasons are just interesting in that there's less episodes and an apparently irregular airing schedule. I guess we just assumed they aired uninterrupted like previous seasons.

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    • Oscarfan wrote: EKA means "earliest known," not first. The #3916 omits the waiter Grover scene at the beginning anyhow, so it can't be the first airing. Sprout's made a number of edits to certain shows (such as episode 3817 and episode 3952); we've just assumed they were full edits, as they often match the original PBS airings.

      We don't need to re-evaluate all the seasons pre-Muppet Wiki. These seasons are just interesting in that there's less episodes and an apparently irregular airing schedule. I guess we just assumed they aired uninterrupted like previous seasons.

      So it's a matter of poor research and evidence and instead guessing? Okay, then. I know what EKA means; I was pointing that out. It was just suspicious since it wasn't marked as compiled from Sprout material.

      So which seasons are undebatably stable with their release dates? I mean, interrupting seasons isn't uncommon.

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    • Oscarfan wrote: It's possible we may need to re-evaluate our air dates for season 31 as well.

      I found this article saying that "Put a Lid on It" debuted on April 21st, 2000. However, the season, according to us, fully aired at that point. Episode 3900 aired on that day, according to the archived CTW site, and PBS descriptions for that episode mention the Squirrel Nut Zippers' appearance. So, either it was added in re-runs, or season 31 followed a similar, sporadic air date schedule.

      You are correct. As it turns out, our Season 31 airdates are indeed wrong. I have re-checked my tapes of Season 31, and found out that while #3851 through #3885 did air according to our schedule (or at least that's what I think), #3886 didn't air until April 3rd. Also, the aforementioned #3900 did air on April 21st, according to my recordings.

      As for the Season 30 airdates, it appears Guillermo is not interested in sharing his opinion and reasoning for the changes long ago, so I guess it is safe to redo the airdates for Season 30.

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    • What about the KET site? Why don't admins believe in that one, a lot of vandals got banned from adding info from the KET site in Season 33 and 34 episodes.

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    • ELMOYQUENOCHE wrote: What about the KET site? Why don't admins believe in that one, a lot of vandals got banned from adding info from the KET site in Season 33 and 34 episodes.

      I think you explained why. Or did you?

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    • Brainulator9 wrote:
      ELMOYQUENOCHE wrote: What about the KET site? Why don't admins believe in that one, a lot of vandals got banned from adding info from the KET site in Season 33 and 34 episodes.
      I think you explained why. Or did you?

      Yes I did, since I'm entitled to my own opinion, it has the sponsors for episodes 4016, 4017 and 4019, but then administrators protected the page so that only sysops could edit it. Oscarfan made a page for 4020, the sponsors were Z and 4, and it also says it in the KET site.

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    • I have re-checked my recordings of Season 31 and can now confirm that our airdates are wrong. Below is a list I made according to my recordings of the episodes and their original broadcast and rerun dates, before summer reruns began.

      3851-3855:  01/03—01/07/2000
      3856-3860:  01/10—01/14/2000
      3861-3865:  01/17—01/21/2000
      3866-3870:  01/24—01/28/2000
      3871-3875:  01/31—02/04/2000
      3876-3880:  02/07—02/11/2000

      3882:          02/14/2000
      3852-3855:  02/15—02/18/2000
      3856-3860:  02/21—02/25/2000
      3861-3865:  02/28—03/03/2000
      3866-3870:  03/06—03/10/2000
      3871-3875:  03/13—03/17/2000
      3876-3880:  03/20—03/24/2000

      3881:          03/27/2000
      3851:          03/28/2000
      3883-3885:  03/29—03/31/2000
      3886-3890:  04/03—04/07/2000
      3891-3895:  04/10—04/14/2000
      3896-3900:  04/17—04/21/2000
      3901-3905:  04/24—04/28/2000
      3906-3910:  05/01—05/05/2000
      3911-3915:  05/08—05/12/2000

      3881-3885:  05/15—05/19/2000
      3886-3890:  05/22—05/26/2000
      3891-3895:  05/29—06/02/2000
      3896-3900:  06/05—06/09/2000
      3901-3905:  06/12—06/16/2000
      3906-3910:  06/19—06/23/2000
      3911-3915:  06/26—06/30/2000

      I'm not sure why #3882 and #3851 were swapped, but this is exactly when they aired per my tapes.

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    • I guess because in their files, 5 and 8 looked similar as did 1 and 2?

      Yeah... for people who teach counting, they got their numbers wrong too.

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    • I agree, let's change those dates.

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    • Before we start changing, would it be fair to say #3882 was presumably intended to air on March 28th, since the episodes around it aired that week?

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    • All episodes for Season 31 after #3880 have been updated, save for #3882 (still unsure if it's supposed to be 3/28).

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