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  • Does anyone think we should put a cap on it soon? He's been doing Elmo for just over a year now and it's apparent he'll be permanent, so the appearances are only going to grow, especially when we're adding random viral interviews to it.

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    • I was actually just going to bring this up. While I am glad that we've been tracking this, I agree the section's getting too long and we need to draw a line somewhere. Perhaps we could move the info to a sandbox page for expansion and/or abridge the section on the Ryan Dillon page to a certain point (maybe take out the informal viral interviews; Parent's Magazine, Inside Stuff, etc.).

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    • I'm fine with moving it somewhere, while keeping the more major portions (White House Egg Role, Season 44, official videos/DVDs)

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    • I don't wanna lose the things we tracked. If we get rid of the section, we should make it a separate page. Or just put them in Ryan's filmography.

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    • I wonder if we should just make a list of all of Kevin Clash's performance as Elmo after 2012 (though I'm not sure what to title such an article). 

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    • I think we move it all to this page.

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    • The deed is done (As you can see, I had been meaning to adjust the page anyway). A complete listing of Dillon's Elmo performances is now located here.

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    • So, I was thinking that the point of tracking Ryan Dillon's performances of Elmo was to note the fact that there was still some material left by Clash, and thus the season was filled with alternating performances. After that season, tracking Ryan's Elmo would be pointless because he's Elmo now. Hence my suggestion to include it on the page we already had for performer transitions. I don't think just moving the list of Ryan as Elmo from his page to a separate page accomplishes that. I added some leading text to the new sandbox page for now, but I think it should really be more about the transition rather than a list. Does that make sense?

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    • Scarecroe wrote: So, I was thinking that the point of tracking Ryan Dillon's performances of Elmo was to note the fact that there was still some material left by Clash, and thus the season was filled with alternating performances. After that season, tracking Ryan's Elmo would be pointless because he's Elmo now. Hence my suggestion to include it on the page we already had for performer transitions. I don't think just moving the list of Ryan as Elmo from his page to a separate page accomplishes that. I added some leading text to the new sandbox page for now, but I think it should really be more about the transition rather than a list. Does that make sense?

      Absolutely. I mostly separated the list from the Performer Transitions sandbox just to see how it would work as a solo page. I definitely agree with your reasoning; in that I feel we were tracking Dillon's performances in the first place because there was still leftover material from Clash, and now there's no real purpose to expanding on it. I wouldn't mind moving it to the pre-existing page if you feel that's what we should do; adjusting it so we're only tracking stuff within that transitional period (say, up to April or May 2014).

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    • I guess that works. I haven't been watching the latest season, so I might not be the best person to make that call.

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    • I'm fine with that too.

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    • Rather than listing every single Elmo appearance that Ryan Dillion has done since 2012, wouldn't it be easier to simply track the handful of Kevin Clash's work as Elmo that was used after his resignation on November 20, 2012, and simply say Ryan Dillion is everything since April 1, 2013 (the White House Easter Egg Roll) with the exception of a few leftover Clash bits (and have a list somewhere)? We could add a section to Clash's article about his resignation and list all the material and segments (such as vocals in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and bits in Season 44) that aired or were used after his departure.

      Similarly, rather than tracking every single thing Matt Vogel has done as the Count since Jerry Nelson's death, we say he's the performer of the Count from "2013 - present" (with his first performance being "Counting the "You"s in YouTube") and simply note the few exception of a posthumous segments by Jerry (rather than tracking every single new bit Matt does until we're certain there's nothing else featuring Jerry coming).

      Likewise we track the instances Frank has returned to perform Bert rather than tracking every time Eric performed Bert since 1997; and we note the few posthumous performances of Jim as Ernie rather than every single appearance by Steve since 1993. I think it'd be simpler to track the handful of post-2012 performances by Kevin on his page instead of tracking every single performance of Elmo by Ryan on his page.

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    • Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.

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    • Since we did this, should we get rid of the section on Ryan's page? Since we don't do that for any of the other performers.

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    • We can just convert it to a normal performer credit listing; although part of why I initially created the Performances as Elmo subsection was so we wouldn't have a dozen "Production X: Elmo" entries. It won't be as much of a problem if we limit it to a certain point.

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    • Or just list them, and the Dillon credit for at least the early ones, on Elmo Guest Appearances and so on, since most of the performer pages don't list every guest spot as a major character (only if either the character is only sporadically used these days, or not associated mainly with that performer). Since most of the entries fall under that category.

      A few things like Dillon's voice-only stuff or "Big Hugs Elmo" (Clash on the toy since it was pre-recorded, Dillon in ads) can be mentioned in a brief note if need be on the page, but otherwise, we don't track every time Eric Jacobson played Grover or Piggy in an interview on his page, just on the relevant appearances pages. Often we even just use something like "many interviews" or whatever.

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