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George's death

I've changed the wording from "George's suicide" to "George's death". Unless the lyrics are different in one of the other renditions of this song, George's death doesn't appear to be suicide.

In Episode 101, Rowlf says, "George fell in and drowned himself." 'Jumped in' would imply suicide, while 'fell in' implies an accident. 'Drowned himself' contains some suggestion that George did this to himself, but when combined with 'fell in', it seems to suggest that 'George fell in and got himself drowned'. 'Drowned himself' could be used in the case of suicide or an accident, but because it begins with 'fell in' instead of 'jumped in', it sounds like he accidentally drowned himself. At the very least, I think there's no clear indication that George's death was a suicide, so I think it's safer to leave it as "death" in the article for now. DOSGuy 04:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Good catch! -- Danny@fandom (talk) 06:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Unknown Composer/Lyricist

If I understand correctly, no one knows who wrote "You and I and George." I had once included this fact on this page as "Music & Lyrics by: Unknown" but it was removed, I think, because it seemed like we (the Wiki people) didn't know instead of we (the human race) not knowing. Anyone have a better idea for how to list this fact concisely, preferably in the song template? --Pantalones 15:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The best suggestion I have is the listing I've seen in other places, "Traditional." It's rather like "Go Tell Aunt Jodie," or even "There Was an Old Lady," one of those old, probably American folk songs which have been around for ages, passed on through oral tradition, but whose roots are hard to trace. --Andrew, Aleal 16:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I listed it as "Taken from: Traditional," but does anyone think maybe it should be listed as "Written by: Traditional?" -- Pantalones 20:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I sort of prefer "Taken from," since it looks weird to list "Traditional" as a writer. After all, if Traditional ever did write something, he did it under his ever prolific pennames, "Anonymous" or "Author Unknown." (Both of which are actually possibles for songs where research does indeed suggest that no one author can be found.) --Andrew, Aleal 21:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I guess you're right. I mean there are "Traditional" songs that have known authors, right? -- Pantalones 21:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Episode 412

Is the performance in Episode 412 new or is it the same exact footage as the UK Spot? --Pantalones 15:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen that episode, but I'm sure that it's a new performance, since Rowlf sang it with Phyllis George in that episode. --Minor muppetz 16:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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