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1st appearance

What's the source for Rizzo's first appearance having been the Chris Reeve ep? The only name used to reference one of them was made by Reeve when he called him Super Rat -- no mention of "Rizzo." On the other hand, I can say that one of the rats being kicked out of the dressing room by Miss Piggy says "whoah" and it's pretty clear that it's Steve. So I could see that as supporting evidence that it's supposed to be Rizzo. If we go by the ambiguous description provided in Of Muppets and Men quoted below, Rizzo was established as the more prominent of the background rats... but do we know when he was first named on- or off-screen? — Scott (talk) 04:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Belatedly, but if this comes up again, thanks to Scott's work on The Muppet Show Fan Club, we have this as proof that "Super Rat" is meant to be Rizzo. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
The Muppet Show Fan Club Newsletter vol2no4 identifies Super Rat in the Chris Reeve ep as Rizzo. It doesn't come right out and say that this was his first appearance, but it certainly hints as such. —Scott (talk) 20:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Whoah. Talk about spooky editing at the same time. —Scott (talk) 20:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Voice?

Does anyone have an appearance or date for when Rizzo first actually spoke? Of Muppets and Men stresses Rizzo's silence, and Steve Whitmire's shyness which "holds him back from doing voices," and all of The Muppet Show episodes I've seen with him, he's just a silent cameo figure, popping up all over. I'm inclined to guess The Great Muppet Caper was when he first spoke, but confirmation would be nice. --Andrew, Aleal 01:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

The first thing that popped into my head was the "Another Opening, Another Show" number from Episode 514: Mac Davis. But then I did research here and saw that we have his first speaking role on Episode 503: Joan Baez. But I bet that the only reason he sort of became vocal was because his scenes from "Caper" were already in the can. That's my two cents --Nate Radionate 01:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Aha! Well, at least nowe we have both a film and an episode number. But yeah, Muppet Caper was probably the first then. --Andrew, Aleal 01:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
In the UK spot for Episode 419, he can be heard talking off-screen. I'm not sure if the line was meant for him or another character (Steve Whitmire used the voice for other characters), but I guess that's a definate maybe. --Minor muppetz 02:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

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