Othmar and Lothar?Edit

Scott merged the Lothar the Grouch page with info on Othmar. However, it's not readily apparent whether they're meant to be the same character. The image and description of the original version came from Episode 1364, and it differs considerably from the later ones (though it was just a ohlogram). In the clips on the Sesame site, however, Othmar appears to be meeting Oscar for the first time and to be unaware of grouches on other worlds, but the planet name of Zurkon is the same. Does anyone have access to the relevant scenes from episode 1364 to double check the name of the space grouch? -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

1364 refers to the grouch as "Lothar". Also, both grouches look different; Lothar is green, with antenna directly attached to his head. -- MuppetDude 17:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for double checking, Tony. In that case, I'd say the Lothar page needs to be recreated, but with a note that both grouches come from the same planet. Also, if anyone can confirm if both characters are played by Brian Muehl (I can't tell myself, but the performer info was originally listed for Lothar, not Othmar), that would help. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

My bad. I jumped the gun on this one. I should have asked here first, but judging from what was on the wiki, it looked like Brad had just misheard the name. —Scott (talk) 01:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)