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The Muppets on Muppets
A new user, Jungalina, added a picture from "The Muppets on Muppets" DVD bonus feature at the bottom of this page. I know that those were actually filmed back in '99, as an Odyssey interstitial that never aired. But I don't know if that's a sourced fact yet. Anyway, do we feel like moving that up chronologically, or just taking it out? -- Danny (talk) 13:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- "The Muppets on Muppets" were produced around 1999 for Odyseey - Craig Shemin confirmed it at the Muppets, Music & Magic event at The Cinema Arts Centre and Jim Lewis has backed the claim up in some Muppet Central forum posts. So it should either be moved up the list or removed. As it stands now it is not accurate (plus it's impossible that they were made in 2008, as that hasn't even happened yet). -- Brad D. (talk) 00:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Transition from permed to straight
This page currently implies that Piggy switched to the straight hairdo sometime after Muppets Tonight in 1997. But we have several instances of the straight hairdo in 1989 and 1990, well before Muppets Tonight. First is Image:Psa.nwf1988.jpg from 1989. Second (and more clear) is Image:Tvguide.JPG from 1990. So the question is, then, is the permed shot from Muppets Tonight shown on this page an anomaly, or did she actually go back to the perm for a while in the mid-90's? Powers 15:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Possibly more: here's a promo shot for Muppet*Vision 3D, which was in the 89-90 range, although the shot is dated 1998: Image:Journalmv3d11.jpg. Powers 15:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- For what is's worth, she had a perm in The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson, which was 1990. (HairMetalLives 02:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
BAM
At one of the BAM panels, Bonnie Erickson mentioned that Herb Alpert was Piggy's second appearance. The more Piggy-like eyes also suggest this. I know that Alpert aired after Sex and Violence, but does anyone have taping dates for these? I feel like S&V may have been shot first. --Peter Pantalones 19:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Herb Alpert
Does anyone have a picture of Piggy from her Herb Alpert appearance? --Peter Pantalones 18:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yuppers! -- Scott Scarecroe 01:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The Piggy page
Would someone mind playing with this template? The images are looking sucky due to it.Scooter 18:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
- Also, feel free to change the pictures, as they aren't that great either.Scooter 18:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, it needs a little formatting work, but this is a great idea. I like where this can go! I expanded the pictures to 250px -- Do you like that? I agree that the template needs a little work... It would be nice to have some margin space in the table cells. Anybody know how to do that? -- Danny Toughpigs 23:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
- I added some more pictures to the chart, but have a question on how this will work. Should we including Piggy as characters or alternate versions (i.e. Ms. Cratchit, Benjamina Gunn, the four witches, Baby Piggy)? It may not be as big of an issue here but with others it may become one (Scarecrow Kermit, Baby Kermit, Swamp Years Kermit, Lion Fozzie, Baby Fozzie, Tin Gonzo, Baby Gonzo, Dearth Nadir,...). Maybe a second chart at the bottom to list and compare alternate versions would solve this.
- This is a great idea for a wiki project, I know a Kermit, Fozzie, and Gonzo pages would be awesome too (once we work out all the formatting stuff here). It's fun to study the Character Evolutions.
- - BradFraggle 01:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- BradFraggle, these pictures are fantastic. Great work!Scooter 02:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, I added a bunch more photos. Let me know once we get the format and system down for the "Through the Years" pages because I would be more than willing to start working on Kermit, Fozzie, and Gonzo pages. Also does anyone have a Piggy photo from The Jim Henson Hour era (such as Miss Piggy's Hollywood)? I'm pretty sure there were some changes blending more from the '80s perm Piggy to the '90 Piggy. -- BradFraggle 04:39, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- Brad, great additions! As far as characters goes, to my mind, it depends on 2 factors: 1) does this version in any way influence or act as an example of lasting changes in the character's overall aesthetic, or 2) is it just a freak (No offence to Gonzo), that is, a specially made version which serves its purpose and has no bearing on subsequent appearances? Piggy as Emily Cratchit, for example, continues Piggy's flirtation with curls, but is also (to the best of my recollection) her first appearance with shorter hair, and influences the more modern cut which she sports from the "Muppets Tonight" era onward. Baby Piggy, on the other hand, while cute, is completely different and one off (and something like Dearth Nadir, while worth noting, is completely different, as it's an armored suit, and doesn't affect regular Gonzo in any way, as far as I know). As stands, I like placing the "alternates" below, but perhaps you might either single out specific alternates which are indicative of an overall development, or just make notes, i.e. "Emily Cratchit marks the first time Piggy's hair was cut shorter, preceding the more fashionably cropped look for the regular Piggy." Something like that.
- Also, was The Muppet Movie the first time a full-body Piggy was built? (Not just lower limbs for dances, but a special puppet worn by short performers for physical stunts?) Technical things of that nature would be worth noting on this and any spinoff pages (i.e. when Gonzo first gained the flexible eyelids, the duration of Fozzie's wiggling ears, etc.) Anyway, kudos to Scooter and Brad? --Andrew, Aleal 04:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- Brad, great additions! As far as characters goes, to my mind, it depends on 2 factors: 1) does this version in any way influence or act as an example of lasting changes in the character's overall aesthetic, or 2) is it just a freak (No offence to Gonzo), that is, a specially made version which serves its purpose and has no bearing on subsequent appearances? Piggy as Emily Cratchit, for example, continues Piggy's flirtation with curls, but is also (to the best of my recollection) her first appearance with shorter hair, and influences the more modern cut which she sports from the "Muppets Tonight" era onward. Baby Piggy, on the other hand, while cute, is completely different and one off (and something like Dearth Nadir, while worth noting, is completely different, as it's an armored suit, and doesn't affect regular Gonzo in any way, as far as I know). As stands, I like placing the "alternates" below, but perhaps you might either single out specific alternates which are indicative of an overall development, or just make notes, i.e. "Emily Cratchit marks the first time Piggy's hair was cut shorter, preceding the more fashionably cropped look for the regular Piggy." Something like that.
I just added some pics. (and took some off that you can see anywhere.) But I don't understand your question, on The Muppet Movie it was not the first full body puppet made, you can see another full body Miss Piggy on The Muppet Show season 1 when she sings What Now My love. Sorry if that doesn't answer your question. ^_^ - MissPiggyLoverr
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