Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone

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Discussion moved to [[Muppet_Wiki:Current_Events_Archive_16_(Jan_2007)#Creature_Shop_character_pages|Current events]].

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==Concerns==

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I created this page in the style of pages like the entries for ''[[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy]]'' and ''[[Dr. Dolittle]]'', but I have concerns. Specifically this --- ''Harry Potter'' fans are ravenous. I'm enough of one myself to know this. We don't watch this closely and who knows what sort of articles we could have cropping up. So I suppose the usual question applies here --- if I or anyone else wanted to create pages about Harry Potter, or Draco Malfoy or whoever, is that okay? And then certain other aspects of the film, etc.

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Oh, and the article is a bit barebones to start out with, but I'll be expanding it soon. I need to get more info about the Creature Shop involvement, but like pretty much anyone else, I have easy access to this film, so I should be able to get a full list of Creature Shop crew involved pretty quickly. [[User:Agent0042|George B.]] ''([[User talk:Agent0042|talk]]) 16:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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:Here are my thoughts on the issue. I don't think we ever made a hard fast rule on what coverage of Creature Shop films is, and isn't okay on the wiki. But my theory on Creature Shop characters (or Creature Shop whatever) is that we should only create specific articles for:

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::(a) things related to a production produced by The Jim Henson Company (such as [[Labyrinth]], [[The StoryTeller]], [[Dark Crystal]], [[Frances]] and [[Farscape]]).

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::''or''

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::(b) individual things provided by, or related to, the contributions of the Creature Shop (i.e. animatronic/prosthetic characters; or merchandise that mainly feature, or revolve around, the aspects of the Creature Shop contributions).

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:For example, with regards to ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'', I think characters such as [[Michaelangelo]] and [[Splinter]] are fine and have a direct Muppet/Henson connection; whereas a character such as April O'Neil' or Casey Jones don't – they were simply characters portrayed by [[Judith Hoag]] and [[Elias Koteas]] while they were acting along side the Creatures in a non-Henson production. I think "Celebrity" and "Creature Shop Actor" pages for anyone who acted along side the work of the Creature Shop (and especially for those that acted through the work of the Creature Shop) are great and fine for inclusion, but the characters they play seem irrelevant to us. We could create well over 1,000 articles just to cover Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Characters, Culture, Locations, etc. and very little would actual be relevant to the Muppets, Jim Henson or the Henson Company/Creature Shop. What makes a page about [[Professor Severus Snape]] significant to Muppet Wiki? I think any relevant information on the connection would be more fitting on [[Alan Rickman]]. If you look at [[Creature Shop Productions|the list of Creature Shop Productions]] I think we should provide full coverage for the Henson productions (the bold items) and just focus on the Henson aspect for the others. But that's just me. This is just my opinion. What do others think? If others disagree, I can get to work on those highly-anticipated [[Loch Ness]] and [[Around the World in 80 Days]] character pages to round things out. -- [[User:BradFraggle|Brad D.]] ([[User talk:BradFraggle|talk]]) 04:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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:::Yes, I agree. I think that means we'll have to cut a few ''Hitchhiker's''-related pages, but that's a small price to pay in order to keep the odious and hateful Harry Potter off the wiki. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]] ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 04:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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+Discussion moved to [[Muppet_Wiki:Current_Events_Archive_16_(Jan_2007)#Creature_Shop_character_pages|Current events]].
-==Concerns==
-I created this page in the style of pages like the entries for ''[[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy]]'' and ''[[Dr. Dolittle]]'', but I have concerns. Specifically this --- ''Harry Potter'' fans are ravenous. I'm enough of one myself to know this. We don't watch this closely and who knows what sort of articles we could have cropping up. So I suppose the usual question applies here --- if I or anyone else wanted to create pages about Harry Potter, or Draco Malfoy or whoever, is that okay? And then certain other aspects of the film, etc.
-Oh, and the article is a bit barebones to start out with, but I'll be expanding it soon. I need to get more info about the Creature Shop involvement, but like pretty much anyone else, I have easy access to this film, so I should be able to get a full list of Creature Shop crew involved pretty quickly. [[User:Agent0042|<font color="Blue">George B.</font>]] ''([[User talk:Agent0042|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 16:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
-:Here are my thoughts on the issue. I don't think we ever made a hard fast rule on what coverage of Creature Shop films is, and isn't okay on the wiki. But my theory on Creature Shop characters (or Creature Shop whatever) is that we should only create specific articles for:
-::(a) things related to a production produced by The Jim Henson Company (such as [[Labyrinth]], [[The StoryTeller]], [[Dark Crystal]], [[Frances]] and [[Farscape]]).
-::''or''
-::(b) individual things provided by, or related to, the contributions of the Creature Shop (i.e. animatronic/prosthetic characters; or merchandise that mainly feature, or revolve around, the aspects of the Creature Shop contributions).
-:For example, with regards to ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'', I think characters such as [[Michaelangelo]] and [[Splinter]] are fine and have a direct Muppet/Henson connection; whereas a character such as April O'Neil' or Casey Jones don't – they were simply characters portrayed by [[Judith Hoag]] and [[Elias Koteas]] while they were acting along side the Creatures in a non-Henson production.  I think "Celebrity" and "Creature Shop Actor" pages for anyone who acted along side the work of the Creature Shop (and especially for those that acted through the work of the Creature Shop) are great and fine for inclusion, but the characters they play seem irrelevant to us. We could create well over 1,000 articles just to cover Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Characters, Culture, Locations, etc. and very little would actual be relevant to the Muppets, Jim Henson or the Henson Company/Creature Shop.  What makes a page about [[Professor Severus Snape]] significant to Muppet Wiki? I think any relevant information on the connection would be more fitting on [[Alan Rickman]]. If you look at [[Creature Shop Productions|the list of Creature Shop Productions]] I think we should provide full coverage for the Henson productions (the bold items) and just focus on the Henson aspect for the others. But that's just me. This is just my opinion. What do others think? If others disagree, I can get to work on those highly-anticipated [[Loch Ness]] and [[Around the World in 80 Days]] character pages to round things out. -- [[User:BradFraggle|<font color="Blue">Brad D.</font>]] ([[User talk:BradFraggle|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 04:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
-:::Yes, I agree. I think that means we'll have to cut a few ''Hitchhiker's''-related pages, but that's a small price to pay in order to keep the odious and hateful Harry Potter off the wiki. -- [[User:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue">Danny</font>]] ([[User talk:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 04:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)