Talk: Frances (video)

Category?

This video came out, so we can move it to a real category... But I'm not sure where it belongs. We have a category for Unstable Fables videos, but I don't know if we have one for Henson Company Videos? There's a Sid the Science Kid video coming out too... -- Danny (talk) 05:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

If more videos of Henson Company shows are going to be coming out, I think we should go ahead and make a category for Henson Company Videos, or Henson Videos, or something like that. -- Ken (talk) 05:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that categorization makes sense to me (especially since this and Sid are actually more relevant than Unstable Fables). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I think a Henson Company Videos category would work.

However this does bring up the question of how much coverage are we giving to Jim Henson Company projects that don't feature any physical puppets/creatures? Earlier we said that individual episode and song articles were too much; but we have some stray Sid the Science Kid and Skrumps character and performer pages. How much Henson Company merchandise will we include? There's a Sid the Science Kid CD coming out next week and they say a replica of his toy microphone is planned for the fall (along with toys, books, etc) -- and I'm sure Dinosaur Train will eventually have it's share of merchandise too. There are a bunch of franchises produced by the Jim Henson Company that don't feature physical puppets/creatures -- These include Sid the Science Kid, The Skrumps, Frances, Unstable Fables, Dinosaur Train, Good Boy!, Sam Plenty, The Fearing Mind, and Family Rules (to name a few). How much individual coverage are we giving to franchises with no physical puppets/creatures in them?

What are the bounderies? Would it be out of line if I created a page for the Sid soundtrack, or Sid ringtones, or Sid's stuffed dinosaur Arnie, or his dog Philbert? What about pages on Walter Tortoise, Murry Hare or Buddy the T-Rex? Is Sid's DTV publc service announcement, Sprout's Coo, or the Sid walk-around permissible? How much coverage is "too much" coverage?-- Brad D. (talk) 06:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

My personal preference is to have as little of this stuff as possible. I like that it's covered on Brad's HDPS wiki; I don't think we really need it here. The connection between Sid the Science Kid and the Muppets is pretty tenuous.

So my preference would be one page tops about any of these shows, the same way we do with movies that the Creature Shop has contributed to. -- Danny (talk) 06:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Then should this just be merged in with Frances?

And should the content of Sid the Science Kid Characters be merged with Sid the Science Kid; and The Skrumps Characters with The Skrumps; and Sid the Science Kid (video) with Sid the Science Kid? -- Brad D. (talk) 06:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[Cross posted with Danny but including anyway, with minor change]- See the discussion at Category talk:Henson TV Shows for the Unstable Fables policy, which was no character pages and only voice actor pages if they fit with out definitions of celebrity. Likewise, the consensus on Sid in the current events songs was no song, episode pages, etc. (and this to my mind would include random ringtones and stuff but not DVDs, but to keep the character pages, so Philbert might fit in especially since there have been articles about the mocap use of a real dog and so on (to my mind, I don't think there's much to say about Arnie or that couldn't be noted on Sid's page, and as you note, the Henson Digital Wiki has all that stuff blanketed so there's not a huge need for it here). Dinosaur Train hasn't aired yet, but from the mention of Singapore, this sounds like it will be ala Unstable Fables, outsourced animation but no actual puppetry or even Henson Digital involvement, so that would merit a show page but no character pages or anything else. I think Danny's concerned about the new stuff mostly, and as far as merges, video probably makes sense, but I personally don't see any harm in actual HDPS major characters if there's pictures and performers and so on and since the pages already exist for those (and additions seem fairly limited). That's my take, anyway, just like we have Category:Creatures but don't bother with the human actors or soundtracks or action figures and so on. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)