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Some images giving readers the wrong idea?

I personally feel that some of the images on the page are giving casual readers the wrong idea. Clearly, the newcomer who made an "edit" yesterday did not even get the point of this page at all. I think that we can afford to remove the "mock wedding" image. Its unnecessary, and even with the caption, it gives readers the wrong idea. Seriously, some the images on this page almost give the effect that we are trying to support this tired rumor. As most of us know, the Internet is full of people who are often ignorant and fail to read everything on a page. Please respond, thanks.--Gonzofan 01:34, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

We've done a pretty good job of captioning photos and remaining objective. I see no reason why we have to start walking on eggshells because we're afraid someone will read something the wrong way. Everything documented here is factual and sourced. —Scott WikiaStaff.png (contact) 01:42, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
Alright then....It was just a thought. I just wish that people would stop spreading these rumors. Sesame Workshop would NEVER depict a same sex couple to pre-schoolers.--Gonzofan 01:54, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

In the news again

I wasn't sure whether or how to add this to the article: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/light-legalized-sex-marriage-york-online-petition-urges/story?id=14275363 -- Powers 23:04, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

real skits?

The 1994 quote from Reverend Chambers is interesting to me. It would be fun to link his statements to the sketches he speaks of, but I can't find them on the wiki. My best guess for tending plants (so gay!) is Little Plant, but that's just Ernie. No idea what the sewing sketch could be. Do these exist and we just don't have them on the wiki yet? —Scott (talk) 01:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

My guess is they're completely made up. I don't think anybody learns how to sew on Sesame Street; pre-school kids aren't usually encouraged to play with needles. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 01:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
That's the point I'm trying to drive at. They sound entirely made up. —Scott (talk) 02:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Yup, I'm with you. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just added this info in italics, underneath the quotes. Clearly, this is needed, as the recent Richard Hunt bio fails to clarify this. -- Zanimum 17:52, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

CTW documents

Kevin just uploaded three files that represent CTW's official stance on the E/B gay issue. —Scott (talk) 03:52, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Analysis

I don't mean to step on anybody's good time, but to me, the "Analysis" section doesn't sound neutral. It sounds like we don't really believe what the Workshop is telling us. Is anybody else reading it this way? -- Ken (talk) 18:44, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Andrew would know for sure ... --MuppetVJ 21:17, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
My original intent was to point out that the two arguments "Ernie and Bert are puppets (and therefore could not be gay)" and "Ernie and Bert don't exist below the waist" are technically wrong, but I agree that the the section has started to move a little in the direction of an editorial.— Tom (talk) 21:45, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
More than that, I think they get away from the original question, going into toys and that "Ernie and Bert could, in principle, represent a gay couple." That's not really the point of these rumor pages, and the "puppets, not humans" is valid for Sesame Workshop (since despite existence of parents and that one Elmo's World: Birthdays, you also have Elmo admitting he's made of foam in guest appearances and The Muppet Show isn't applicable in this case). It basically just confuses the point of the page and instead becomes a "Muppets are more than puppets but have complex lives of their own" argument, which is fine and would make a great essay in a Kermit Culture-like book. But I don't think it works here at all. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 21:57, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I could live without it. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 22:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Just took it out. I guess my objections to the faulty logic of Sesame Workshop will have to remain in the confines of this talk page. :)— Tom (talk) 22:39, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Formatting problems

I can't get the two quotes under "Official Statements" to align. Any thoughts?— Tom (talk) 20:01, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

They look perfectly aligned to me under various screen resolutions. What resolution are you at and browser are you using? Can you post a screenshot? —Scott (talk) 01:40, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
My screen resolution is 1680 x 1050, and the second quote looks indented, as if it has a ":" at the beginning of the line of code. The indentation persists on Chrome and Explorer, but, interestingly, if I change my screen resolution, the text appears perfectly aligned. As they say, hi ho, must be a peculiarity of my home machine. I'll check the page at work on Monday. No need to leave this as an active talk page.— Tom (talk) 02:35, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Sketches

FYI, this article is the #2 result on Google right now for Ernie and Bert and Bert and Ernie. The #1 result is the Bert and Ernie article on Wikipedia which is about the duo and their history. So I thought it would be helpful to add a link to our E&B Sketches category at the top of the article, which I've just done. —Scott (talk) 04:32, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

That's a good idea. Also -- that's hilarious. We changed the title of the article so that it would show up better in Google. I guess it worked! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:44, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, we got similar results with Are Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy married? and I'm hoping for something similar with Is Cookie Monster now the Veggie Monster? which I just moved. —Scott (talk) 05:04, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
That's a great idea, yay. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 15:56, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Marrie

What about the movie cinderelmo? There they are a bit fighting about who shall merrie the princes. Isn't this also a clue they both like to marrie someday? (Pino 11:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

Move

Have you ever heard Bert and Ernie refered to as 'Ernie and Bert'? I think it should be moved to consist with the way it's been said for years!--Hornetman16 19:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, there's lots of em. See "Bert and Ernie" vs. "Ernie and Bert". —Scott (talk) 19:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Comic

I was going to add this, but wasn't sure if it'd fit...would it fit in Parodies? http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/2003Cagle1/10.asp Scooter 14:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

That's fab. I just added it to the Daryl Cagle page -- he's done a lot of Muppet/Sesame art, so it's funny to see him include the Sesame characters in his editorial cartoons. I'll make Parodies into Parodies & References, and then link to that... -- Danny (talk) 14:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Text from Snopes

  • Greg posted the following text in this article. Most of it is a thinly disguised lift from Snopes.com. There's useful information here, but it needs to be rewritten in our own words. The last couple of quotes aren't from Snopes -- I'd like to have them verified by somebody, because that Ernie quote sounds fishy to me. Would someone with more patience like to take a crack at this? -- Toughpigs 04:07, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • I added sources for the quotes. -- Scarecroe 16:27, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

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