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Category select

Hi! I found out what happened to Category select... It turns out that there was a bug on wikis that have login-only editing -- when an anon tried to add a category from the page, it did weird things. So they turned it off on login-only wikis while they fixed it. I've heard that it's supposed to be fixed in Wednesday's code release, so hopefully we'll have it back soon! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense, and hooray for getting it back! -- Wendy (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Muppet Vision

Hi, Wendy! Where did you find the information about the Muppet Vision CD? I've never seen it before, and I can't find anything online about it. I don't think it was a real release. Can you help clear this up? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 02:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

On ebay. It seemed like a reasonable thing for them to have sold to me. Unfortunately the auction doesn't really have much more info -- perhaps you could contact the seller? -- Wendy (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Did you buy one? What did the back cover look like?
Also, I sent you an e-mail through the wiki. -- Ken (talk) 02:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry... I meant it seemed reasonable to me that they would have sold such a thing at the parks, not that I bought it. I have no idea how to really find out if it's legitimate, although the seller seems to have mostly positive feedback for whatever that's worth. I hadn't seen the email yet -- I'll check my bulk folder. -- Wendy (talk) 02:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Book and record sets

Hi! I was messing around in Worldcat, and I was able to figure out the years for the original 24 book and record sets on Sesame Street Book and Audio Sets Discography. So now everything has a year, plus I wrote a little essay at the top. Oh, and I think eBay has some of the ones we're missing, but I didn't know if the pictures were that good. -- Ken (talk) 05:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool! The image for "Count Counts a Party" was pretty decent (although the book itself was sort of stained). The others I didn't think I could make look ok, so I didn't grab them. -- Wendy (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I think I'm going to start buying the first 24, even if they're not in great condition, just so I can expand the listings. I know that Early Bird on Sesame Street has a song at the end, and I think the other 23 do, also. -- Ken (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The Blu-Rays are coming!

Didn't know if you knew, but Scott put up the Blu-Ray editions of The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth. Yay for new formats! -- Ken (talk) 02:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Article deletion

How do I delete a video? (namely Video:Loews Theatres - Muppets Policy Trailer) - Ernie and Bert fan 18:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ask an admin :). It's all gone. -- Wendy (talk) 18:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Muppets Characters

You are unbelievable for doing all that work. Of course, you already knew that. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 02:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Wendy (talk) 02:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Great work, Wendy! Just a suggestion, though. Re Trichinosis and things like that, which were never actually Muppets. I know we have the illustrated characters as exceptions in Muppet Show (though I suppose it could be migrated), but since we're focusing on the family/universe element in defining that category and we're also not including any human or live animal characters or things like that, how about dispensing with unseen characters *unless* they're significant parts of the family universe? So, Gags Beasley and Bernie would belong (mentioned often on The Muppet Show but also in other productions, appearances, text bios, etc.; basically they're part of the clan, whether seen or not) but not Joe Bravo (since he already has a home for his one-joke reference anyway). I can bring it up on the category discussion too, but I think it's mostly just something you may not have noticed when going through these huge lists. That's a ton of work, so again kudos to you! (I'll try to help out with the movies/specials characters later on). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Actually I have noticed... strangely enough I've been cleaning up the pages somewhat as I go. There are lots of these pages that I think don't really belong in characters. For example, most of the groups where we have a page for the group (eg. The Country Trio) and each member therein.... it seems to me the members are characters and the band isn't. Then there are things like "Trichinosis" who are really characters within the show's sketches, rather than actual characters of the show. The unseen issue is yet another one. And I also have doubts about some of the animal types like "Alligators and Crocodiles"; they aren't really characters per se, and they are already in the "Character Types" category, and any specific incidences have their own page. Although it's a bit more grey since some were used en masse, like the Rats. And as you noted, the characters who are there to provide a one-line joke, like Two-Nosed Whatnot or Tennis Balls; is that really a character?
Anyhow, I decided that rather than making judgement calls on all of these myself I would bring them up at some point in the category talk. I am, incidentally, weeding out anybody from Category:Muppet Show Characters who wasn't in the 120 episodes, so all the illustrated ones are no longer there, but moved to the new category as part of the extended family. -- Wendy (talk) 00:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, there is some grey area and repetition (and good call on moving the illustrated folks, actually) and definitely a way to handle bands and groups (I'd say we would count those who appear en masse or if the page covers specific generic types as opposed to just listing Mupets who happen to be alligators or insects or whatnot, so rats and chickens, frogs and pigs are an easy call, some of the others probably need study or page reworking, and I'm with you on excluding bands in this case; we already moved many to Category:Muppet Bands exclusively anyway, and while there's a logic to including the Trio in Muppet Show Characters, there seems to be less when doing so on this larger scale). I'll probably raise it there in a few days, then, since we're still kind of deciding what fits, and even with the family/universe definition, dealing with every single walk-on or characters who had an identity in one non-related special but then became utility players in the "Muppet family" movies or videos. Some are pretty easy (Beth Bear, though brief, poses no problems), others aren't. But looking at it, on the whole, this really does seem to have been the most effective solution (I definitely like the fact that now "The Muppet Show" category is just for characters who were on the show, but it also does put Bean Bunny, Clifford, Waldo C. Graphic, and Sal all in the same grouping beyond that for the puppet type as well) and also makes it easier to deal with the individual issues as they crop up (here relating to unseen and groups), or else on the appropriate production or character pages rather than trying to cram it all into one huge conversation. Anyway, once again, thanks for actually doing what the rest of us talked about! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Less than Jake's records

Thanks for adding the Less than Jake wiki! I was able to verify that "Life is a Movie" is a very short song consisting of the last verse of The Magic Store ("Life's like a movie"). So I was able to link the entire EP. Yay! -- Ken (talk) 03:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

And somebody put the whole thing on YouTube! It's interesting. -- Ken (talk) 04:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yay! I'm glad the link was helpful. That's one of the better music wikis we have actually. -- Wendy (talk) 00:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

And the records keep rolling in!

Thanks for the new pictures of the "My First" 45 set. That's cool that it came in an all-yellow set, and a multi-colored set! -- Ken (talk) 04:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I know! I wish the seller had had the box too... I'm curious if it was yellow or had pictures or something. And which came first! I had so many questions when I saw those.... -- Wendy (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I still can't figure out that box on the yellow set. It looks way too big for 6 singles, unless it came with some books or something. The classic box sets are like an inch thick. Maybe this one is at a weird angle or something that makes it look deeper than it really is. -- Ken (talk) 05:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


Hey Merrystar I left ya a message at the Haruhi Wiki, go and please do stop by!!!^_^ -- Falzar300 (talk), 28 May 2009 (UTC)


Please don't change the date in the timestamp after you post a message to be several weeks ago. I haven't received any recent messages on Haruhi from you. -- Wendy (talk) 23:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

For your reading pleasure...

I finally got around to writing an essay on the Muppet Discography. Enjoy! -- Ken (talk) 06:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Nicely done! -- Wendy (talk) 18:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! And thanks also for cleaning up the links! I did the SS one last night, and I think there are around 160 titles on that page! -- Ken (talk) 18:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Sesame Portal

Yay, those pictures look fantastic! Lovely. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 05:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! We have some nice pictures on our wiki :). I'll have to do another line with Bert tomorrow; it weirds me out to have Ernie without Bert, and we should have Abby up there too. -- Wendy (talk) 05:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, for sure! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 06:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I was kind of mad that Bert didn't even make the top 20! -- Ken (talk) 06:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

2 Things

1) Nice new Studio Mouse book and CD sets! Can we sort them so they're down at the bottom, since we know the year, and they seem to be a whole new series? To me, it's getting confusing to see new stuff mixed in with the original 24 titles that were reissued a bunch of times on SS Records, Golden, and Fisher-Price. My goal someday is to nail down the years for those, too, and it'll match the LP discography.

2) I didn't know if you had seen the discussion on Current Events about reworking the discographies. What do you think about it? -- Ken (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Since you've been finding so many CBS international 45's, I thought you might like to see a CBS 78 with the same label design! -- Ken (talk) 21:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- reorganizing to put all the Studio Mouse stuff together is fine by me. I actually thought about doing that once I realized how many there were, but ran out of time. A lot of them were on the wiki actually -- just not in the discography. But yeah -- they went totally crazy in 2007/2008 with those. I had seen the discussion about discographies, but I am somewhat in the middle; while I agree that the tables make things space way out long, I find the galleries somewhat hard to follow in a linear sense (this is true on the wiki in general -- the booklists for example). To me neither setup is really better than the other, so I was willing to just let it go with what you guys wanted. That's cool about the 78rpm label! -- Wendy (talk) 21:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, one of the side benefits of talking to Danny about this is that I learned that you can make gallery pictures bigger. I remember I asked you a long time ago (when I first joined) if you can make gallery pictures bigger, because I thought that it was fixed to one default size. Just out of curiosity, do you know what the default size is? I could mess with pictures and try to figure it out by trial and error, but I thought you might know.
And that record reminds me of "Cherish" by the Association! -- Ken (talk) 04:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I think the default is around 150px or so, but I'm not sure. Anyhow, it's not really the size I object to as much as having the sequence go both left to right and top to bottom; no idea why but it just isn't comfortable for me. -- Wendy (talk) 04:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I guess I'm used to it because a lot of record reference books show pictures in that format, with 3x3 or 4x4 covers on a page.
Nice tapes! I wish the seller had put the number of the Gold one, because if it's the 1977 edition, then it'll be the first catalog number, but it gets complicated, because Kyle has a record with the later number, but it's still dated 1977! I hope we find more copies and figure it out! -- Ken (talk) 04:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Lost Thing

Thanks Wendy, I was trying to figure out how to undo the page move and was clueless. Glad you caught it. -- Nate (talk) 20:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

np. You should be able to just move it back at this point; it used to be harder. -- Wendy (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
It has been how many years and some things still boggle my mind on here on how to do it. lol -- Nate (talk) 21:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Bob's tape

How did you find out that the 2007 pressing matches the A&M bar code? That's weird, since A&M has been through a few mergers, and that numbering system isn't even used by them anymore. I thought Bob's CD's and tapes had their own numbering system. I've never seen one in person, though, so I'll have to ask Kate what the backs of her records, tapes and CD's say. I'm still trying to figure out if his '80's LP's were released here through a Canadian company. -- Ken (talk) 05:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

this auction. Admittedly, he could have the info wrong, but the later date and label worked out right, so I had no reason to doubt the UPC.... -- Wendy (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, those boxes are part of Muze, which is a database that used to be in record stores, and I don't know if eBay sellers fill them in themselves, or if eBay does it. But I've seen wrong things in there sometimes, like CD information on a record auction, and vice versa. We can leave it for now, since Bob might have sold old copies until they reissued them, but we wouldn't know for sure unless we could compare them side by side. -- Ken (talk) 06:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I did find one for the 2007 CD released by Bob (or so it claimed) that had a very different UPC. I also saw one that had the original UPC and the date as 2000. There's definitely some funniness going on. I just wasn't quite sure how they would get the wrong UPC with the right year/label. -- Wendy (talk) 19:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Googling for Records

Guess what? One of the guys on the record forum I go to just said that Google Books is now offering fully searchable Billboards from 1942 to 2008! I'll probably mention it on Current Events soon, but I wanted to tell you too, since I know you like Muppet music! Maybe we'll find some articles about the short-lived recording careers of Susan and David! -- Ken (talk) 04:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool! I'll have to try it out. -- Wendy (talk) 05:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Other 45's

Do we still have the singles from Loretta Long and Northern Calloway somewhere? I was going to work them into their pages, but I couldn't find them. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 06:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey -- I must never have uploaded them (or they got deleted) because I got no griping about multiple uploads when I redid it just now. They are Loretta's, Northern Promo and Northern's. -- Wendy (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Where did you find the other side of Northern's 45? This seller has an audio file of one side. I thought you might like to hear it. Cool '70's soul! -- Ken (talk) 01:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I probably found it on ebay; it was on my old computer which I haven't used much in the last year, so awhile ago :). That new UK label is much clearer for the B-side, but it's a promo copy with clearly different text markings. Would you like me to swap it out for the one we have? That clip is wild.... -- Wendy (talk) 02:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I thought about it, but I'd like both of the labels to be the US version. One of these days, I'm going to buy one and scan it. I'm dying to hear what Loretta's 45 sounds like, too. Both of those have been sitting there for over a year. -- Ken (talk) 02:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Dark Crystal book and tape

Hi! How do you copy a picture from one wiki to another? The Dark Crystal wiki (which I didn't even know about) has the book and tape version of the read-along, and I want to put it under the record edition, like we normally do. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 07:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The safest way is to save it and then reupload it here. Which I've done. -- Wendy (talk) 00:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 02:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Sesame Street nautical ceramics

Is a fabulous article title. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 01:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I had no idea what else to call them :). -- Wendy (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
And why not? Ahoy! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 03:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


I had something wrote down but when i saved it i just found out that Danny had started working on the problem. Thanks again Wendy and i'll thank Danny too. Peace out! -- Kyle (talk) 11:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Category tool

Just so you know... I'm working with Kyle today to see if we can move that button around. I didn't realize that there were people itching to use the category tool here... now that I know, I'm going to actually try to make it happen, rather than just being lazy about it. I'm glad you asked! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Yay! It's silly really -- (and all figure-skating wikis' gajillion uncategorized pages fault) but having gotten used to it, not having it was disconcerting. -- Wendy (talk) 02:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a cool thing; I like it too. I'm just being persnickety about it. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 04:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


I just wanted to let you know that the person who goes by StreetScenes on the wiki is the person who's running the YouTube channel with all the Bob(u) stuff on it! Her name is Kate, and I've been talking to her a little bit, and I think she has some more stuff to add. Bob's page is already longer than I ever thought it would be, so I'm even more excited!

Oh yeah, thanks for the new UK 45 of Rubber Duckie. I think we can just keep the 1972, because some countries didn't get their editions of it right away. Or that could be a typo. I'll have to see if I can pin down the number. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 01:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh cool -- I'm glad we're getting more Bobu :). Those rubber duckie singles are endless... -- Wendy (talk) 03:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Now that I'm going through the page in more detail, would you mind if I pulled out the Susan & Bob single? To me, it's the only one that's not a solo song. If you want I can leave it in, but do you remember why you put it in? -- Ken (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I put it in because I thought the B-side, "What are Kids Called?", wasn't a duet... and it wasn't clear that the A-side was either actually. I could see one of them singing each song. -- Wendy (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, both songs are from the very first LP, and they're both duets, so I'll pull it out. Also, I forgot that we have the Sir Duke 45 picture sleeve! And did you see the classical CD's with narration that Kate put up? I love stuff like that! -- Ken (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


Hey, nice kites! Does this look like it might have been from the same batch? —Scott (talk) 00:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey cool! It could be one of the inflatable ones, although all of these are on the web for sale now, and searching for a super grover kite doesn't pull up anything. I saw a kite in Target today and got inspired :). -- Wendy (talk) 00:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Yay, I should get one. The flickr photo was taken two years ago, so probably not from the same batch as the ones available online. —Scott (talk) 00:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Easter eggs

Yay, it's cool to see you adding new, completely random Sesame stuff. People just don't understand how important it is that things like Sesame Street plush harness and Cookie Monster's Letter of the Day Bingo are documented for posterity. :)

The Easter eggs one is especially cute -- I didn't see that this year! Elmo with bunny ears! -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 07:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Glad you liked 'em :). We had Elmo & Abby eggs at our house this year :). -- Wendy (talk) 00:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Wendy

It's me Kyle. How's everything going? Things going fine here. I have a favor if you can help me out. I've been invited over at the Hanna Barbera Wiki and thought cool. I love everything HB. But since i've been over there, i can't seem to help out. Anytime i want to add a picture or image i can't. The "add image" button isn't at the top of the screen. Ken told me that you might be able to help out. I've left Tom H. a post to ask him to add the button but still haven't gotten anything from him. If this is to complacated that's fine and i'll keep waiting for Tom to help me. Talk to you later and take your time. Talk to you whenever. Peace out! -- Kyle (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Kyle. The "add image" button is the second to last square on the right above the edit window for me. Is that what you see on either wiki? The last one is a green square with a filmstrip in it (for adding videos) and the one next to it is blue with a little photo in it. I see it on the HB wiki as well as the here. If that's not what you see, could you please describe what buttons you do see? -- Wendy (talk) 01:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Here is what buttons i see on the HB wiki. Bold button w B, Italic button, Internet Link, Globe pic, Level 2 Headline, Embedded File button, File Link button, Mathemayical Fomula button, Ingnore Wiki Formatting button, Your Signature with timestamp button and Horizonal Line button. And that's all i see on the Hanna Barbera Wiki that would love to work on but can't because of the add images button isn't there. -- Kyle (talk) 09:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey Kyle. Try it now. -- Wendy (talk) 02:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


OMG! Plezase help. Go to Total Drama Island Wikia and just help us stop making Bubby (a user) threaten us. Link: Link! Webkinz Mania 22:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Read the history of the page!
Wendy, don't worry about it; I took care of it. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 03:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


Can you please delete Template:KenVideo? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 03:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I love that Bob song! It sounds like it came from a 1950's musical! -- Ken (talk) 04:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


Hey, cool new Bob stuff! I may have to go back to that Bob Dylan site to figure out the numbering system for CBS Japan. Meanwhile, I thought you might like to spend some time on YouTube, with some Bob audio and video, in both English and Japanese! -- Ken (talk) 04:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Hooray for Bobu! I thought you'd like that EP :). One of these days I need to search on his "Japanese name" and see if it pulls more of the singles. -- Wendy (talk) 02:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
If your computer can read Japanese characters, this clip has his name in English and Japanese. I've tried to see if there are any CD's of his Columbia stuff in Japan, but so far I haven't found anything. As big as he was, I can't believe I haven't found anything yet! -- Ken (talk) 04:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
And now you've got me curious, so I've been copying and pasting ボブ・ マグラス into search engines. (Boy, and I thought it was hard to figure out records in German and Dutch!) I've already found some stuff, so domo arigato! -- Ken (talk) 04:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


You finally found an 8-track attached to a card! Even better, that's the second edition with the song change. Thanks for the UK tape, too. I wish we knew more about UK editions of the US albums. They're always on weird companies! -- Ken (talk) 23:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I was pretty happy about the 8-track on card thing too :). I could just never imagine how they looked. And yeah -- the UK track was funny; pity the auction didn't have more info on the label and number or year. -- Wendy (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I did the obvious, and tried to make out the logo in the box, and I searched on "cyp". It looks like that's the name of a UK kid's label, and they were UK editions of the Sony Wonder CD's, but they're out of print now. But Amazon UK has a few listed (but no pictures), so we can at least start adding ones we know were made. I still find it funny that during the '90's, while our Sonys were being pressed on other companies in the UK and Australia, Japan's Sony was making CD's of the '70's LP's! -- Ken (talk) 20:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I went back and compared Sight and Sound tapes in that Big Bird set with other ones, and the spines are in fact the same. For some reason it had looked different to me. -- Ken (talk) 20:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

C is for CC CRA singles

Hi, Wendy! I have some more confusing stuff to tell you. I now have proof that not only did CRA reissue the Columbia CC singles with the same CC numbers, but they also issued them in that new series with one changed digit. That means that for example, "A Face" by Bob was out on Columbia CC 75008, and then on CRA CC 75008 (with the same number, and a similar label, but the CRA logo where the Columbia logo goes, and a different copyright notice at the top and bottom of the label), and then later on CRA with a number of CRA 76008! That also explains something that's been bugging me for years: Why the back covers of the LP's have a list of Columbia-numbered 45, but they call them "CRA book and record sets". (See here for an example.) So technically, the CC series could be tripled! But I don't know if they all got released 3 times, so I'm only going to add ones that I can actually document. That also means that those CRA covers of the Havin' Fun 45's might either be version 2 or version 3 of the cover. But I don't want to move them because they're blurry, so I don't know what they really say. (Besides they look cool all together.) I guess the only thing to do is to keep looking for covers in case they turn up. I just wanted to tell you this, in case you run across something that you might think we already have, because we might still need it. -- Ken (talk) 02:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Short note

Hi, Wendy! I just wanted to mention that we're doing the various releases (audio/video/online) with 3 apostrophes, not equal signs. I think we had talked about it a while ago, but I didn't know if you had seen it. -- Ken (talk) 05:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- no I didn't realize. I saw you asking Danny about the three apostrophes and what they did, but didn't know you decided you liked that format better. Thanks for telling me. -- Wendy (talk) 16:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Still more!

Would it be stretching it to include a foreign issue of a knockoff LP? Look!

Also, here's a new Sight & Sound set! It looks like we can't use the picture, but I'm going to make a place for it. -- Ken (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I saw that knockoff and probably would have added it only the picture is lousy and would be almost impossible to doctor up and I was tired so I didn't. But it is cool -- who knew?
The BigBird set is way cool -- I hadn't seen that at all. Pity about the stupid watermark. Scott could probably remove it if you think it's worth it; he's good at that stuff. I'm sort of tempted by it simply because it is so unusual and such a generally good picture. -- Wendy (talk) 03:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'd like to respect the person who put it on the picture, because that's why they put identifying marks on it. But at least we have what's in it. I noticed there's no catalog number, and the tape spines are even different from the regular S&S issues. There are no catalog numbers on the spines, either! -- Ken (talk) 04:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the stuff you've found, and here's 2 more! The one label here is kind of bad, but it's the right side, so I'll let you decide on that. And here's another sleeve! -- Ken (talk) 05:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- yes I saw the Sing/Electric Co. one but thought our clean B-side was better and didn't grab it. I had missed the pic sleeve though! -- Wendy (talk) 02:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Cool! Here's the 5 we have left for easy reference:
  • CTW 99008 C is for Cookie/If I Knew You Were Coming I'd've Baked a Cake
  • CTW 99060 Jack and the Beanstalk 1/2
  • CTW 99065 Just One Me/One and One Make Two
  • CTW 99069 True Blue Miracle/Keep Christmas with You
  • CTW 99075 Disco Frog/Bein' Green (disco version)
I can't believe we haven't found 8 yet! That's a really early one, so it was around longer. The later ones I can understand, although we have all the other disco ones. Oh well, I know we'll find it eventually, and I'm still in shock over that other Roosevelt Franklin 45! -- Ken (talk) 02:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


Can you please check the redirects and disambiguations for Aren't You Glad You're You? I finally made one for the song, so I moved everything around, like Fair Is Fair. It looks like there was a duplicate redirect, but I think I got confused. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 07:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi -- it looks fine; Scott took off the delete tag too. One of those redirects has a regular quote mark, and one has the slanted quote mark. So they are different. -- Wendy (talk) 18:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


Look! I never knew about this one! I made a place for it. -- Ken (talk) 02:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Yay! more singles :) -- Wendy (talk) 18:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Plush, Dolls and Toys

Hi Wendy! I know you're away right now, so I want to make sure that you see the Current events discussion that we've just been having about the Toys and Collectibles categories. Those have been confusing for a little while, and we're working on coming up with something that makes it make more sense.

I thought we came up with a system that seemed non-controversial, so I started moving ahead with it -- but now it turns out that there is some disagreement about it, so I'm slowing down to make sure that we get everybody's thoughts in there. So, when you're back, come take a look. :) -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 23:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Danny -- I had read the discussion once or twice but I had a horrible internet connection and the pain of trying to post was beyond my patience. So thanks for pausing a little until I could chime in. -- Wendy (talk) 02:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

2 Things

1) How did they get our picture to link back to us? And how are you able to get a picture, and make it not go back to eBay? Just curious.

2) Brace yourself; I think that cassette looks like it says, "CTW 25516-B". I've never seen a tape have the CTW; that was for records. The fact that the auction's in Canada might have something to do with it. I've seen other tapes in the C-5000 series, so this must be something different. Yay, another whole new numbering system! -- Ken (talk) 03:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

1) I'm not sure how they linked it back, but I've seen websites do that with wikimedia images and amazon images, so I know it can be done, I just don't know how. Ours don't go back to ebay because I download them and reupload them here, so we access a local copy each time. I don't trust ebay to keep images up forever.
2) I thought it was 25516-D myself, or maybe 25016-D, but it was a trifle fuzzy and I just went with it as clearly CTW and clearly not the latter one we have listed. I'm glad I gave you something new to figure out :). -- Wendy (talk) 04:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I know that the 8-tracks went through several numbering systems, and we have some of each here. Also, we have a new person named Troy (his username is Codename7) who is a collectibles and toy dealer, and he's already found some Sight & Sound we were missing, so I'll have to ask him if he's ever seen any tapes with a letter at the end. And eBay auctions disappear 90 days after they're over. I didn't know if you knew that.
Can we take images from Amazon? I don't know if you've been following Current Events, but Danny, Andrew and I have finally figured out a videobox that is similar to the audio one, and it's good for all formats and regions. So now, I'm standarizing the video library, beginning with the Random House tapes. The reason I'm telling you all this is because we're missing a lot of reissue covers, and I thought since we're linking to Amazon to help people buy stuff, I thought it was only fair to get the pictures of the stuff we're missing. So I just wanted to mention that to you, if you ever have periods where nothing interesting is turning up on eBay. Briefly, I'll have to tell you about the whole other area I ran into last week, of Australian doubles of the Random Houses (2 on 1 tape), and Japanese laserdiscs of Random Houses! This stuff never ends! -- Ken (talk) 04:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
That's great that we have somebody who might know more about the tape numbering. I was pretty startled by it; I'm only used to letters on 45s :). And yes, we can take images from amazon. As far as I know the only place we avoid is Muppet Central. I've looked at the videos once or twice but, even more than with the records, the auctions tend to use stock photos so it's frustrating to me... -- Wendy (talk) 04:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, there's a whole bunch of Sony VHS that look fine, because they're still available new. I know some of the used ones don't look great, but the Sonys are the big hole right now because everybody put up the DVD's, and they don't realize that VHS's were made all the way up until 2005 (Elmo's Potty Time, of all things). So I've been having fun working from Worldcat and Amazon, making sure each version's catalog number is on here. -- Ken (talk) 04:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I just thought of one more thing. The -B might mean it's part of a set, like the 3-record sets have -B. Just something I thought of. -- Ken (talk) 04:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, it's pouring again. Worldcat has ISBN numbers that prove that the first 6 Random Houses from 1986 also came out on Beta! -- Ken (talk) 05:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Looks like there are quite a few of the Elmo's World VHS covers on amazon... and some others that I found. It's very hit or miss. Anyways, I was a bit reluctant to start on the EW stuff since the pages don't have a spot for VHS yet, and EW always seems like drowning to me anyhow.... but I can add them if you'll do the info :). -- Wendy (talk) 03:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I haven't even looked at the Elmo's World stuff yet. I tend to start in the "real" era and then go forward. That's why I've been doing a lot of reworking with the Random House. Here's the link to the Sony Wonder page if you want to look through stuff that should still have copies on Amazon with good pictures. By the way, the sizes of the pictures on our video pages are all over the place. I'm guessing it's 300px, right? And do we put thumb or frame? I can never remember! -- Ken (talk) 03:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The problem is that amazon sometimes (frequently) only uploads a DVD cover, or occasionally only a VHS cover; there are only a few that I've found which have both. They just put the DVD image on the VHS page.
Images are usually 300px wide; the VHS on amazon is coming in around 270px (give or take) which is why those are narrower. If the image is larger than 300px you put "thumb|300px" and if it's smaller you use "frame". -- Wendy (talk) 22:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm. If you choose VHS and type "Sesame Sony", it brings up a ton of them. That might help so you're not buried in stuff you don't need. You can do Elmo's World if you want, too. The video pages are so unstandardized (is that a word?), that it'll be a while before we can make all the charts and fill them in, and get everything the same size and format. I'm trying to do a few a night, so I don't get overwhelmed (or worse, stay up later then I should). What I'm doing is I'm keeping Amazon and Worldcat open so I can cross-reference the ASIN's and the ISBN's, and find everything all at once, plus it's good to have multiple sources, because sometimes one site or the other will have a typo, but overall, they're really good. -- Ken (talk) 07:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Abelardo PVC

Hi Wendy, where did you find that Abelardo PVS on Plaza Sesmo pvc's? Do you have it yourself?(Pino 09:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC))

Hi Paul. I found it on ebay awhile back, but I didn't purchase it. The seller was just calling it a Sesame PVC - didn't even know the character name. I believe it was a US seller, which happens as they do sell some Plaza Sesamo stuff here. I put it on the wiki hoping somebody might recognize it or find more of them or something. Do you have any ideas about it? -- Wendy (talk) 18:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
No .. My guess its a plastic doll But I never have seen it before.. If I saw it sooner I probebly bought it ;) (Pino 10:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC))

Sesame Videos

Hi! I just wanted to mention that one of my new projects is to make the videos match the records. I'm finding that Sesame videos have up to 4 editions (Random House Home Video VHS cover type 1, Random House VHS cover type 2, Sony Wonder VHS, and Sony Wonder DVD). So if you run across any covers, or if you have any, that would be great! I need catalog numbers, too! Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 05:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that I'm getting deeper into this, I'd like to create a template for VHS, so it'll match the LP's, and go under their box. Then we can have a gallery like the records do. Right now, we have 2 templates: Template:Video, and Template:DVD, and they don't really fit. They also seem to overlap. What I'd like to do is for the older titles like early SS VHS, is put a Template for VHS under the box picture, and then for newer titles that are DVD-only, put the DVD template. I think we should erase one of the above links, since they seem to be too similar in their information. Can I create a template, or does an admin have to do it? I don't want to make a big mess, so I'll wait until I hear from you. Right now, I'm starting with the 1986 Random House stuff. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 06:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ken -- you are welcome to create the template if you like; however a change in how we do videos should probably be brought up on current events first. I would suggest you create a template called Template:KenVideo and use it on a page somewhere; then post the result, along with what you want to do with the existing templates. It'll make it clearer what you mean. Let people have a chance to comment on it. Once everyone has agreed on how to handle things then we can move it to a better name. If you need any help building the template let me know. -- Wendy (talk) 00:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, that kind of brings up another thing. Since Danny started talking about linking to Amazon by ISBN numbers, I'd like to put ISBN in the box, too, since video items have ISBN's, too. So that's why I was thinking about doing this all at once. Let me think about it for a while. I just think that the video section needs an overhaul. We've got Sony Wonder DVD's on top, and Random Houses in a gallery, when it should be the other way around. I'm still thinking about how to go about this, because I know we're treating things like Muppet videos of theatrical films differently, like on The Muppet Movie (video). So I think we should create a VHS template just for the Random/Sony stuff. I don't mind doing the work, but I'm not really ready to tear it apart yet. I was just wondering what you thought, and how much had to be created by an admin. Anyway, I'm waiting for Bruce Springsteen to come on, so I'll think about it some more. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 00:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure I can do this myself? How does the actual coding work? For instance, on the record template, how does "soundtrack" turn into "Songs From"? Before I go to Current Events, I want to make sure I create this thing right. -- Ken (talk) 05:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't bat Bob!

Hi! Kate (StreetScenes) just told me that the Epic 45 you saw is actually a "Bat McGrath" record. So she took it out, and I just wanted to let you know. That solves a lot of things for me. That means that Bob was probably not making any US Columbia records anymore by this point, and he may have just done the one Juno 45 as a Christmas single. But she collects Bob records, so more will be coming! Yay, more records! -- Ken (talk) 04:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Figures. I did double and triple check those listings that day thinking they might be Bat McGrath, but they must have gotten confused at the seller too :). -- Wendy (talk) 14:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I was right!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, a new section! If my calculations are correct, there were 26 of these, so I'm already 1/5 of the way there! -- Ken (talk) 05:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


There was only one more knockoff LP that I remember from the early 1970's. I couldn't remember the title, but I just found a listing for it. It's Rocking Horse Records #5088, called "Sesame Street, Rubber Duckie and Other Favorites" (weren't they all called that?) by The Rocking Horse Orchestra and Chorus. There may be others, but after 2 years, I think that covers the Disney, Peter Pan, Rocking Horse, Golden, and Pickwick stuff, unless Cricket and Playtime did some, too. -- Ken (talk) 04:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I'll keep an eye out... although "Rocking Horse" is not a good search term! -- Wendy (talk) 03:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, you can try "Rocking Horse Records", since that's the name on the label, but that also brings up some other record labels and record stores. They seem to have been tied up with Peter Pan, since they also say "Synthetic Plastics, New Jersey" at the bottom, but I've never been able to figure out their history. I can never date these records, either, but I know that all the Sesame LP's have to be from 1970 onwards! -- Ken (talk) 05:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Yay, you found the "Bob Sings Stevie Wonder and Captain and Tennille" single! -- Ken (talk) 05:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

This just in

Messing around in various places, I found that Juno was apparently an easy listening label around the late 1960's. They made LP's by Judy Garland (one of her last before she died), and Doc Severinsen (when he was just starting on the Tonight Show), but I don't know much more than that. So I asked my record forum about the label, and also if anybody knew what Bob had been doing between Columbia and Sesame Street. I'll let you know. Next I'm going to ask them about any WB Muppet singles from the 80's. I know somebody has to have one of those guidebooks with every single listed numerically. I may get one of those someday! -- Ken (talk) 08:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, somebody on Gemm was selling a sacred album by Bob McGrath, and I got all excited, until I figured out that it was actually somebody named Robert McGrath, and the label and period it came out would have pre-dated his Columbia stuff, so it wasn't him. (Did you know Jimmie Dodd from the Mickey Mouse Club made a sacred album on Disneyland Records in the '50's? I always thought that was cool of Walt.) -- Ken (talk) 08:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Foreign 45's

Hi, I've been thinking again. (Oh, no!) We've got a few foreign-language Sesame 45's now, but they're buried at the bottom of their album pages. I'd like to put them somewhere together like the International Muppet Singles page, but International Sesame Street Singles page is for foreign pressings of US recordings. Can we either put the other ones there, or if that's confusing, think of a name for another page? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 05:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I just remembered that the Japanese Sesame Street Discography has both Japanese and English recordings, in case you were looking for other examples. -- Ken (talk) 05:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- yeah, it'd be sort of nice to collect all the foreign-language singles in one spot, but I think it gets confusing if we have it on a separate page from international "english" singles; nobody will know what goes where. I'd say we put them together on the International Singles page and just add a line that indicates what language it's in to each entry. -- Wendy (talk) 03:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Cool! Coming right up! -- Ken (talk) 03:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Boy, that took longer than I thought it would. -- Ken (talk) 06:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Nicely done! -- Wendy (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 03:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

More covers

Here's the 2nd cover for Somebody Come and Play! -- Ken (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

And here's the Camden of the Pickwick Sesame Street, Rubber Duckie and Other Songs from Sesame Street! -- Ken (talk) 04:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

And I ran into a record site that was selling Sesame cassettes and 8-tracks I didn't know about before! So I put all the information on their pages! -- Ken (talk) 06:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok -- I added the pics. That's really neat about a new record seller! -- Wendy (talk) 18:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Double Wonders

Hey, Wendy, I found every double number for the Sony Wonder albums! Now all we have to do is figure out why they did that! -- Ken (talk) 06:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey -- that's great :). Maybe US/Canada markets? Or music club vs. regular stores or something? Who knows... -- Wendy (talk) 02:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I know why they did it. It's different packaging, but now we have to figure out which numbers are which packaging. I never noticed it before, because I always used to buy my CD's at Tower Records before they closed. But one version has a big songbook behind the CD, and another version has the lyrics in the CD booklet. Another thing I don't know is if these were sold simultaneously, or if one replaced the other. This was during the period when companies were getting rid of the longbox. So the songbook versions were 12x6, and the regular versions were 6x6. I think some or all of them also had a built-in hanger to hang on a rack, but now I can't remember. The reason I can't tell from my CD's, is because the early ones I bought have the big book, and then the later ones have the booklet, so I just figured the packaging evolved. But now that I know that all titles have 2 numbers, I'm guessing they were all sold both ways, and the store chose the one they wanted based on the packaging, so Tower must have switched their orders after a while. Anyway, I hope this wasn't too boring, but I'm excited because now if I run into eBay listings or other used CD sites, I'm making notes of what packaging it comes in! -- Ken (talk) 03:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

One Good Promo

Okay, I made a place for the promo. -- Ken (talk) 04:05, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

And nice 8-tracks! -- Ken (talk) 04:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Archive chopping?

I don't need it now, but I was wondering if I can break off my talk page into archive pieces, or if an admin has to do it. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 02:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe you can do it yourself; just go create a new archive page and copy it over. If it doesn't let you for some reason, I'll be happy to do it. -- Wendy (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I was actually asking for Paul. His page has never been cut apart, and it's getting huge. I want to ask him a bunch of questions next month, but I'm afraid of breaking it. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 03:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Did you see what Paul found today? The Bob 8-track! That's the kind of thing where I knew there had to have been one, but it takes forever to find one! Also, can you put the Follow that Bird promo I mentioned in its place? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 03:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


Look! -- Ken (talk) 08:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey cool! Is that an original repackaging? Pity the seller didn't give song info or anything, but I grabbed the pic. -- Wendy (talk) 00:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I think Paul just bought it, but I'll have to wait until he answers me. It looks like it's a 3-record set, and I'm guessing it came out between 1974 and 1977, since that's when the other Axis LP's came out. The number they give would make it a whole different numbering series, kind of like the CTW 100 series of US boxed sets. I'm excited because now we know what the labels look like! I'm also hoping that there's an "also available" list in that booklet. If I'm guessing right, this might have been the last Axis LP.
Oh yeah, on a totally different note, I found a 45 promo from Follow that Bird here. The number corresponds to a Waylon Jennings 45 from 1985, but this promo has the FTB song instead of the other song. I'll explain it better in a minute. -- Ken (talk) 00:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't get on earlier, so I'll finish the FTB 45 tomorrow, but I found something else here. I know it's the wrong side, but it'll fill the hole for now. -- Ken (talk) 10:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I finally figured out the Waylon Jennings single. It looks like there's a promo on JB-14215 with "Ain't No Road Too Long", backed with a song called "The Devil's on the Loose", which is from one of his albums released the same year. But the weird thing is that the corresponding regular number (PB-14215) has "The Devil's on the Loose", backed with a song called "Good Morning John", also from that album. So I can't find a "real" single of "Ain't No Road Too Long"! They might have put it on another number, but I haven't found anything yet. So I made a place for the promo. I hope that made sense! -- Ken (talk) 07:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

I missed you around here! Nothing exciting happening on the record front right now. I'm going to write to Koch, and suggest they do some kind of 40th birthday CD set to go with the DVD set that's in development right now. I hope they answer me! -- Ken (talk) 05:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- a very belated Happy Thanksgiving to you too! I've been busy lately; there simply aren't enough hours in the day at this time of year! -- Wendy (talk) 04:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey, look what I found! I figured you saw the SS kit on eBay, and I ran into this! The first thing that's weird is that a UK auction has a US copy (Columbia, not CBS). The second thing that's weird is that he's actually credited as "The" Cookie Monster! -- Ken (talk) 04:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm also running into more of those renumbered E&B 45's! I think pretty soon we'll have to expand the chart! -- Ken (talk) 05:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to keep dumping messages on you, but I found out something else: The CRA renumberings of Columbia 45's where the catalog number is one digit off (CC 75048 becomes CRA 76048) seems to have expanded to other Columbia children's records. Remember how I've always had a hunch that Columbia was somehow involved with CRA? Well, I've found a Burl Ives 45 that I know was on Columbia that I saw a picture of on CRA, and I found a book and record set of The Little Drummer Boy with Columbia on the sleeve, but CRA on the record. That leads me to believe that there may have been a transition period where they put records into sleeves that didn't exactly match. So I'm thinking that I'm not going to mess with mentioning that on the wiki, since nobody but the hardest-core collectors (meaning me) would care, but I think down the road, we'll be able to double the CC section, because that means that somewhere out there, every sleeve was eventually printed a second time with the new number. I've found evidence for not only E&B 45's, but I found a 45 from the SS1 series where CC 75003 becomes CRA 76003, so I think they all did it. I hope this wasn't too boring, but the reason I'm telling you all this, is because I wanted to mention that if you happen to search for any SS 45's, searching under "CRA" as well as "CC" might trip something we might not otherwise find. I've got some other things to say about the CRA numbering system, but I'll wait until later. Hope this made sense! -- Ken (talk) 07:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Wow -- you've been busy finding some pretty obscure stuff. But expanding the chart is always good :). -- Wendy (talk) 03:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Pre-Christmas!

Thanks for the picture! I figured we'd see somebody selling one during the season. I'm glad the person had a huge picture, so I could confirm the date, number and side break. Can you put it in the big discography? I can never remember what to shrink odd shaped pictures (like tape covers) down to. Thanks!

(Cool Rubber Duckie, too!) -- Ken (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

My son has been playing Xmas CDs for weeks now and watching/reading Christmas Eve on Sesame Street almost every day - my house is in full holiday mode :). Anyhow, the tapes were the same width as the CDs in the discography, so I went with it. I had confirmed the tape # when I grabbed it too :). And yeah, pity the label on Rubber Duckie was "tatty" as the auction said, but at least it shows the gist of it. -- Wendy (talk) 02:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I wish there had been Sesame Street videos when I was his age! I can't believe it's been 30 years since Christmas Eve came out! It was a big deal when we watched it the very first time. Sesame Street was actually on at night! So we used to watch that and the other Christmas specials every year, and now we get to own them!
By the way, I sent you an e-mail through the wiki. -- Ken (talk) 06:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

New stuff?

What's the new book and CD? Is it part of a series? -- Ken (talk) 05:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No clue. I just like Rosita and stumbled across it. But from what I can tell, the CD contains the story, which makes it a proper book & cd (as opposed to a book + cd of random music). -- Wendy (talk) 05:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
It looks like Studio Mouse is making a whole bunch of these! Go to their website to see them. It's cool that we'll get to add to the book and audio section! -- Ken (talk) 06:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yeah

I forgot to ask you about the German Fraggle soundtracks. Can we combine those with the other foreign language ones? You don't have to answer right now, because I'm still in the Australian stuff, but I think I'll look at those next. -- Ken (talk) 02:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah -- they definitely belong with the other albums. Although I agree with Andrew -- the horspiele deserve their own category; they're a unique format. -- Wendy (talk) 06:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I wasn't sure what to do with them, though. They're kind of unique because they contain the entire show, plus they're in German. Can we double categorize them so that people can see all of the international stuff together? -- Ken (talk) 06:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes -- I didn't mean not to put them into the regular albums, just to have an extra category for them as well. Like putting a book into both books and book&audio when appropriate. In fact I think the audio books are the closest equivalent to the horspiele. -- Wendy (talk) 00:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The Sesame CD's from Oz

At the risk of breaking your page, I wanted to tell you that it looks like most (or maybe even all) of the Sony Wonders were released in Australia! Thanks to the picture you found, I searched under EMI, and I'm getting a whole bunch of numbers! So it looks like so far, Australia has released more simultaneous versions of US albums than any other country, and I never knew that before! -- Ken (talk) 02:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool! I'll have to go looking for some covers. I never seem to find much australian stuff on ebay - even with international auctions, but it's something to look for. :) -- Wendy (talk) 03:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I found evidence for 19 titles, and I'll put the numbers up tomorrow. -- Ken (talk) 08:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


Where did you get the Pickwick LP? I think the number's wrong, but I can't find a copy I can read through my usual sources. Also, I think it's related to this one, but I don't know which one came first (yet).

(Thanks for the Canada Rubber Duckie!) -- Ken (talk) 04:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

You're right -- those are the same track listings. Weird. The one I found is here. Thanks to the detailed photography I'm very certain about the date and publisher. The number I got from the label; I'm not 100% sure if it's 5116 or 5115....
I know that Square Song album is the far more common one -- I'd never noticed this cover before. There's also a Square Song album single out there somewhere. -- Wendy (talk) 04:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hang on -- I just found another one which gives the number as 5115... was the -8 really a -B?? Also maybe I'm wrong about it not being as common :). -- Wendy (talk) 04:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a 5115-B for Side 2. I have other Pickwick LP's with that label. Also, I forgot where I saw it, but the Design LP has the same back cover, and since they promoted The Square Song on the front cover of that edition, I'm guessing that the Design LP came out in 1970 to compete with Susan's album. I'm almost positive that that Design label was in use in 1969-1970, and also, Design was a label owned by the Pickwick company, who specialized in budget labels, and who later on made the actual Pickwick label name. They were also tied up with reissuing other labels' stuff, like the RCA Camden SS LP we have. By the way, SPC-5116 is a patriotic album by Kate Smith (which might also have an RCA connection). -- Ken (talk) 05:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that I'm thinking about it some more, this is basically a reissue with a new title and cover. Can we put this on The Square Song (album) page? -- Ken (talk) 05:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Absolutely. I was just waiting for you to confirm which came first before merging them :). -- Wendy (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 21:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Nice Surprise

I'm glad Brett joined us! -- Ken (talk) 03:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Weird box

Hey, something totally off the wall. I noticed that you were messing with a weird gray box in the sandbox. What exactly is that? I think I've seen some around, but I can't remember where, and I don't know how to fix it. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 02:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey -- that's some sort of wiki thing, and I was just trying to show Danny what I was talking about. You create it if you have an extra space in front of a line of text. Or, with me, most often it's in the middle of a gallery, and I put a space after the | between the image and the text.... So if you see one, just go look for an extra space to remove. It's apparently a "feature", but it's irksome. -- Wendy (talk) 03:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I found it. It's in Muppet Wiki:Current Events Archive 26 (May-June 2008) in the "Skin" section, and I couldn't see where to remove a space. -- Ken (talk) 23:08, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh. That one's deliberate 'cause it's a bit of mediawiki code, and I think it's being triggered by the <pre> and </pre> tags. So actually I would leave that one. But you can make the same effect with random spaces also when you don't necessarily want it :). -- Wendy (talk) 23:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


I was talking to Rich, and we discovered that the BMG CD's were apparently double-numbered, too! I'm just mentioning it in case you have any, or if you run across any numbers on eBay or Worldcat. Nothing else is happening, except I got some new SS records, so I'll be working on those pages. -- Ken (talk) 05:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- I do have some BMG CDs. I'll check them out later today :). I saw you adding all the Brother Kirk stuff - is that one of your new LPs?? -- Wendy (talk) 13:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, no, I've had that one for a while. Danny just fixed the title from being "and Brother Kirk" to "& Brother Kirk", and I fixed a couple other things that he reminded me of.
And you've been busy with Sesame Street 2! Thanks for finding the store stock of one of the singles! I know it's muddy, but I'll take that one over a promo! (I have no idea why labels use colorless versions of their labels for promos. It's like watching Mary Poppins in black and white!) And I almost fell off my chair with that alternate 8-track! Where did you find it? I checked eBay, but I couldn't find it. I can't believe they did that! I'm guessing that was a version with no book. I remember when I was little, I checked out SS2 with a tape, and a 7" by 7" book, so I'm guessing that the 8-track had one, too, especially since the cover says "book and record". (And years later, the 12" by 12" still looks huge to me!) Did you notice that the order is different? The new one matches the record! (Although they still break some songs in half!) I'm guessing that might be a record club version, or a pop version, like the versions of SS1 with no book. Where did you get the number? That's probably the number for the other one, but after SS1, I don't want to assume anything! Well, you can tell I'm really happy about that, and I'm still hoping we'll find others! I found some more today in a lot on eBay. The pictures are tiny, but I'm going to start a list so I know which ones we have pictures or other evidence of! -- Ken (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey Ken! I think I saw that ebay lot with the two SS 8tracks in it also. Pity about the picture size. Anyhow, the SS2 8-track wasn't ebay, it was here. I occasionally check some of the online record stores for fun. The number was listed by the seller. What isn't clear to me is whether it's truly a WB release or just CTW.... anyhow I'm glad you like it :).
The 45rpm was on ebay and you should have seen it before I cleaned it up a bit! Anyhow it was neat to finally see the real label for that -- and for once when a seller said "Rare" I agreed :).
I've still gotta check out my BMG albums -- all of the "good" CDs are sort of hidden from my toddler at the moment. He's reasonably good at running the CD player, but a bit vague on not scratching the CDs.... -- Wendy (talk) 18:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey, he reminds me of me when I was his age. It's funny how, since I'm as old as Sesame Street, the early ones are thrashed, and then they gradually get better! Anyway, since that's an Ampex 8-track, I'm guessing it was an alternate WB, since Ampex made 8-tracks for the majors, and the reissue wouldn't happen until the 1974 series, and they would have used the LP cover. I really love the fact that it's an 8-track only cover! I wonder if any of our art lovers can tell who drew that? I can never tell.
Yeah, I check Gemm and Musicstack sometimes, but I haven't found anything there that I didn't already know. Thanks for checking there too! Just for fun, eBay has a reel to reel(!) for Thriller, so that means they were made as late as 1982, so I'm hoping we'll find some Muppet Show/Movie stuff on reel to reel! It's cool when I can find an album on record, tape, 8-track, reel to reel, and CD! -- Ken (talk) 02:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

One more wonderful 8-track!

Thanks for the Count's 8-track! I've noticed that there seem to be 2 characters, then a space, then the number, but I can't read what the characters are. So I think that there may be other versions of these, like record club versions or something. I'm using the T numbers that I got from the archives. I just wanted to mention that in case we ever find good pictures of the spine! -- Ken (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and check this out: a Worldcat listing that I think is the Book of the Month Club tape you found! The track listing is really strange, but the library who has it says that it's available! I just might call them and ask them to read me the track listing and catalog number! It can't hurt to ask! -- Ken (talk) 04:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh cool -- did I ever upload that book-of-the-month-club image? Anyhow, I was a little grouchy about the angle on that 8-track image, but just happy to see one at all :). I seem to recall there were two numbers for one of the disco 8-tracks. -- Wendy (talk) 01:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, and a few others seem to have alternate numberings, which may involve record clubs or other alternate pressings. Also, just for fun, I want to go through and see how many 8-tracks we have so far. I think we're getting quite a few of them! I figured that the early major label titles existed as 8-tracks, but I'm surprised that they go all the way back to the 1974 CTW series! -- Ken (talk) 02:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Fraggle Records

Hey, Wendy! I just got reminded of something. You know how we include the UK Muppet Show records with the US stuff on the chart? Do you think we should include UK and/or Canadian records in the Fraggle Rock chart? I could probably go either way, but I wanted to see what you thought. -- Ken (talk) 03:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The UK ones *are* in the regular discography :). But they also had separate pages for both of the singles, and the french single, which seemed ridiculous. I'll buy that the nifty "postcard" single deserves its own page, but not the others. So they're in both places right now, because I couldn't decide what to do with them. My own sense of order is bothered by mixing the UK and US stuff and then separating everything else, but that seemed to be what other people wanted to do... That's probably not exactly helpful -- but I was really just trying to clean up the "unused files" area and needed a spot for those spanish ones. -- Wendy (talk) 03:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I guess the Muppet Show stuff was combined because stuff like the 3rd album should have been released here, and I didn't even know about it until I came here. To me it seems right to keep the Muppet Show US and UK stuff together because it was shot there, so the UK stuff is technically "domestic" recordings, and yet because the Muppet performers are American, our stuff seems "domestic" too. At least, that's how I feel about it. But with Fraggle stuff (which I know hardly anything about), then we're getting into a gray area that's halfway between Sesame Street and The Muppet Show, because from what I understand, Fraggle Rocks are co-productions, so I didn't know if the Canadian version counted as "US stuff" since the original run was simultaneously on Canadian free TV, and HBO in the US. And I don't know if the UK version is different. So that's why I was thinking of putting US/Canadian stuff together, based on the original North American run. I could be totally wrong about this, and we should probably get some Fraggle experts to help, but that's how I was thinking discographically. (My spell check just told me that that's not a word. Oh well.) -- Ken (talk) 03:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The Covers are Inside Out on Sesame Street

Hey, Wendy! Happy Memorial Day weekend! I just solved another mystery. I found a copy of The Stars Come Out, and guess what? The picture that we thought was a different cover is actually the right side of the fold-open inside cover! What is it with people taking pictures of the inside of stuff, and saying it's the real cover? Anyway, it's a great album, and I'm looking forward to working on the songs that we don't have pages for yet. I especially love Judy Collins's Yesterday Today and Tomorrow. I've had bits of the tune in my head for 30-something years, and it's great to finally have the whole song! See you later! -- Ken (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for finding the SS Fever tape! I think that's our first tape cover that's actually on Sesame Street Records! -- Ken (talk) 19:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- Happy Memorial Day! I'm glad we straightened out what was up with "Stars Over SS"... that never made any sense! I was pleased by the SS Fever tape too -- since I run into that one as an 8track all the time :) I didn't realize we hadn't found the other SSR tapes though. -- Wendy (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I found a sales brochure at the archives, and it looks like the early cassettes and 8-tracks were sold with the tape itself shrink-wrapped to a cardboard backing with the album cover's picture on it, so that's why we've never seen cassette cases or 8-track boxes. I guess sometime around the disco albums, they decided to start making regular cases and J-cards (that's what they call the little card with the picture of the album cover inside a tape case) like the major labels. And looking at the amount of 8-track variations and foreign releases, the disco albums were probably the biggest "pop" albums SS had had since SS1. -- Ken (talk) 02:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Oscar's Book and Record

I hate to keep saying it, but wow! Did you notice the little record logo on that one? (And no "Hear the record" stuff?) That logo looks like the one on Disney books and records. Now I'm wondering if they may have pressed them at some point. It's cool that that one says "record" where the other ones say "recording" on that other logo, so they must have used it for the tape versions too. But it makes it hard to tell which one came first. I can't believe we're still finding variations! -- Ken (talk) 01:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually.... I think that was from an auction that was labeled as "Disney Book and Record Sets" or somesuch... but I'm having trouble finding it again. I grabbed it a few days ago. But meanwhile, I did find a red Scepter label for ABC-Song... still a promo though. -- Wendy (talk) 01:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
No it wasn't. It was labeled Sesame Street (I've been very tired of late) but two of the sets have that label, and the other has the same label but with red text. It's here. -- Wendy (talk) 01:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm. That's weird. Usually promos only come in black and white versions of the label logo. I wonder if they didn't actually make these for stores, but then it wouldn't make sense to make 2 different kinds of promos at the same time. I've always thought it was unusual that the 2 Susan 45's are numbered so close together. Maybe they gave out the color ones to schools or something, like all those strange variations of SS1 we found. And guess what? We now have proof of multiple covers for the same title! We're going to have to make an "Other Releases" gallery for the books and records! -- Ken (talk) 02:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


I love that you found the other Scepter 45 (or at least the promo of it), and another Havin' Fun 45 cover! Now we only have one more to find! And the Australian EP of Susan has got to be the most unusual thing yet! Was Australia even showing Sesame Street that early? I wonder if they had a deal with Scepter and were going to release it anyway. I left Angus (Gusworld) a note to ask him if Festival did any other Sesame/Muppet albums, and maybe he might know if Festival released the whole LP, too! The number portion of that catalog number goes to their LP series, so there might even be 2 more EP's to duplicate the LP! Boy, we've really found a whole bunch of Susan text and pictures lately! -- Ken (talk) 02:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought you'd like those! I was really excited by the EP -- it took me awhile to work out that it was Australian. The auction has a gorgeous scan of the back which includes a list of other Scepter EPs with similar numbers (so presumably released by Festival). Not sure if that'll help with the research or not -- there's nothing else listed for Susan on it though. -- Wendy (talk) 02:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow again! Now you've got my brain going 100 miles an hour again. Knowing that "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" went to #1 in January of 1970, I can deduce that this was a simultaneous release, or at least a couple of months later. But now I'm wondering if there was a US version of this. Everything I've ever read and come across seems to indicate that EP's died out right around the time the Beatles came (1964-1965), and 8-tracks were starting to come out. But did you notice the front cover had the Scepter logo, and not Festival (even though the EP has a little hole)? Usually a foreign repressing will have the local country's logo (like the Pye Muppet Show LP's) but having Scepter on the front and a line of text mentioning Festival on the back makes this look like they used a US cover, and just changed the back. I could be totally wrong, and there might not be a US EP, but it's a possibility. I'm just throwing that out. Oh, and I love how the label is similar to the US label, but in different colors! -- Ken (talk) 03:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask you something. Putting this in International Muppet Albums bothers me. Can we put it in International Sesame Street Albums, or would that not fit? -- Ken (talk) 04:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops! I meant to put it in Int'l SS Albums... just mistyped. It's fixed now! -- Wendy (talk) 04:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


That's all, I just love this page, both the title and the googly-eyed box logo. That makes me happy. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Me too. That's super awesome. —Scott (talk) 00:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Glad to make you guys smile :) -- Wendy (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice EP!

Hey, Wendy, I noticed that the Less than Jake EP is categorized as Album Appearances, but the Dead Hensons record is under Music Mentions. Should we move one of those, or double categorize both of them? I can bring this up on the talk page, but I wanted to ask you first. -- Ken (talk) 04:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The mentions vs. appearances thing always confuses me and I have to go re-read the definitions. As I understand it, "The Dead Hensons" is a group which covers SS stuff, so that's a mention -- as a group they make references to muppet stuff as does their name... A specific album by them including SS/Muppet original songs would be an appearance, because the songs appear on the album. The LTJ EP is very clearly an appearance/cover of the Muppet Movie songs, like the knockoff SS albums which are also in appearances.... and fits the Album Appearance criteria very well I think. It doesn't hurt to have gonzo & animal appear on the album cover :). Anyhow, I don't think either the EP or the Hensons should be double-categorized actually. -- Wendy (talk) 04:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, for some reason I thought that the Dead Hensons article was about a specific album, and then I saw that it was about the actual group, so that makes more sense. It looks like there is a 4-song EP by them, too! -- Ken (talk) 04:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Today on Muppet Wiki

Thanks for catching that up, Wendy! Obviously it went unattended for far longer than usual (I've had sporadic internet and general computer functionality since early May 6th). I'm thinking in this case, the best way to catch up is try to update again on the 10th, to even out the five, and then return to daily or every three days, however's possible. I'm going to have to put my computer in for surgery *again*, possibly late this afternoon, so I can't help much, but I'll see if I can add some nominations before I shut down (I'll have to use the 1998 Dell again, which won't let me open up more than one window and crashes and overheats). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Andrew -- no problem. I've been meaning to do it for a couple of days but something always interrupts me somehow. I'm sorry about your computer issues! But yes, I too had figured that we could do five more tomorrow (maybe tomorrow night) and then we'd be caught up-ish. -- Wendy (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Wendy! Good to see you around again! Happy Mother's Day! -- Ken (talk) 03:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Wendy (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Live from New York, it's Sesame Street!

Hi! I built a discography for the live CD's, and I pulled them out of the main discography. I have 2 questions, though. Can you delete the subcategory? That looks like it just repeats what I just made, and I don't think it would hurt anything. Also, while I copied the framework from the main SS list, the boxes don't go all the way across like they do on the main list. Do you know how to fix that? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 06:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, as a side note, I found out that those Susan Bubblegum records are not knockoffs! Briefly, Scepter was sold to a company that specialized in putting out cheap records, and they had already made a bunch of cheap kids' records with the Bubblegum Singers, so they just threw together what they had, and made those 2 albums. Somehow later, CBS got involved, so that's why you found that CBS tape. I'm guessing there were LP's and tapes of both of those on CBS. Also, I found a listing for a Scepter reissue called "The Best of Sesame Street featuring Susan", which was just the same album with a picture of a gold record on the cover. (All the albums in the Best of series had the same cover.) So that's my Susan research for a while! -- Ken (talk) 04:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- sorry I never answered this! The boxes are only as wide as the content in them pushes it, so that's why they table doesn't go all the way across. Cool info about Susan/Bubblegum though -- silly record companies! -- Wendy (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the last few days, I've been messing around with the knockoffs, and I've found that the Pickwick was originally on RCA Camden, and the Wonderlands were originally on Golden, but they all kept the same catalog numbers, so if you ever run across cover pictures for any of those other variations, we can put them up! I've already put up the number and label info I've found from Worldcat, and I've also found evidence for at least 3 other CBS-related record variations (not counting cassettes with the same catalog number) of Happy Tunes Vol. 1 and 2! Who knew they reissued Susan so many times? I've only seen the Scepter in person! -- Ken (talk) 03:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Various stuff

Hi, Wendy! Well, I've found a bunch of ISBN's for Golden book and tapes, and they're all on my sandbox page. Golden is very interesting, because if you have the ISBN, you can figure out the catalog number. You can't do that with Sony Wonder, but those are newer, and I have other sources for those. Anyway, I'm just letting you know in case you have any other numbers, or if you find any more on the web. I'm finding that there may be multiple numbers for certain titles, and it gets kind of confusing, so let me know if you need help figuring something out. Also, I saw a General Education filmstrip and record at a record show last week. Those are the "Show and Tell" sets for schools. It wasn't a Sesame title, but it was packaged just like a Show and Tell, with a record pocket, and the filmstrip in another pocket. It was fun to finally see one in person! Maybe someday we'll find more Sesame stuff!

Oh yeah, I've been thinking about something. How do you feel about pulling out the Sesame Street Live albums, and putting them in their own Sesame Street Live section? I've been thinking that since those were put out by the company that put on the show, and they weren't sold in stores, that they should be treated separately from the main Columbia/Warner Brothers/Sesame Street/Golden Music/Sony Wonder/Koch catalog. How do you feel about it? -- Ken (talk) 05:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Well the Live albums do have their own category, but everything in there was double-cat'd under Sesame Albums as well, so I followed the trend. Were you thinking of having a separate discography? Or just not putting them into the regular albums category? I can go either way on the latter... because I'm not sure people looking for them would necessarily know it's a live album, so it's nice to have them with the rest. On the other hand I agree that it's quite a separate thing. -- Wendy (talk) 17:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of pulling them out of the main discography and making a separate one. I don't have any, but it looks like those songs were recorded just for the live shows, and there aren't any tracks pulled from the "classic" albums and CD's. If you have any, let me know if I'm wrong. I think they're okay in the Albums category, since they are in fact "Sesame Street Albums" and they are licensed products. But since I didn't mention them in the essay I wrote, it seems weird to have them popping up in the main discography when they're a separate company from the ones who handled the main releases. I think the discography should flow through the various companies that handled the regular releases, and reflect the essay above. The only exceptions to this would be the various mail-order sets we've found, and stuff like the K-Tel LP and the Sony promo samplers, since those are tracks that are licensed from albums of the same period. We can always put a "See also" at the end for the live albums, but I feel they should stay separate. Let me know what you think. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah. Let's give them their own discography. Although I could swear the back of the one I just found said "Manufactured by Sony". There's a link to the auction below -- take a look. -- Wendy (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that, but Sony also presses stuff for outside companies. (They even pressed the Koch new ones, so for all we know, those are the same Sony masters from 1995!) Anyway, on the back, there's no address or logo or bar code, so I would consider it separate from the Sony Wonders. I know there are only 6 CD's right now, but I think we'll be finding more. I'll look around some more tomorrow. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 04:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Wendy

I saw the new Sesame Street Live album. That is so cool! Do you happen to have it? If so could i get a copy from you? If not it's still cool to see a new album out of the show. -- Kyle (talk) 11:46 May 02, 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kyle.. I thought it was pretty cool too -- I always love finding completely new albums. I don't own it myself, but it was for sale on this auction if you want to try to win it. I know you get stuff on ebay sometimes!  :) -- Wendy (talk) 17:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Wendy for the link. I might bid on it. Thanks again. I just love Sesame. -- Kyle (talk) 11:46 May 04, 2008 (UTC)


Hi, Wendy! Can you take a look at the top section of Talk:Japanese Sesame Street Discography and tell me what you think? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 04:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the Japanese SS reissues should go on the album pages, like we do with Foreign Muppet stuff, but still all be listed on the Discography for anybody who wants to find all of them. I don't know that they need their own pages. -- Wendy (talk) 03:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I was torn, but now that I think about it, I feel the same way you do. Those are kind of unique in that they were made years later, and the funny thing is that Sony Japan reissued a bunch of LP's from the SS label, but then Sony US never made them here in their original form (except for Alphabet)! I wonder whose decision that was? Anyway, it's cool to see the whole series in one place, and I know there are more, but they're really hard to find. -- Ken (talk) 03:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Parker Brothers

Hey, Wendy, I've discovered that Parker Brothers made some book and tape sets in the 80's. But we don't have a Parker Brothers page, because it redirects to Hasbro. Were we going to make a Parker Brothers page eventually? For now, I mentioned it on each book's page. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a tough one. Isn't/Wasn't Parker Bros. owned by Hasbro or something? I assume that's why there's a redirect. Perhaps we should just have a Parker Brothers merchandise page as a link of the Hasbro? -- Wendy (talk) 04:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
It's kind of tricky because when these sets were made, Hasbro hadn't bought them yet. So I think if we have separate pages for Fisher-Price stuff before they got bought by Mattel, we should do the same for the companies that made Muppet stuff before they got bought by Hasbro. Anyway, I don't really know much about Parker Brothers stuff, except for the records that I've run into recently. I didn't know if anybody else was interested in making a bigger toy section for them, because if nobody has anything right now, I'll just leave things the way they are. I'm up to my ears in figuring out Golden ISBN numbers right now (Amazon shows ISBN numbers for the book and tape sets, and I think I can figure out the catalog numbers from that), but I wanted to mention the other brands of audio stuff, because it's really getting confusing sometimes, but I'm getting there! Oh, and thanks for your additions to my sandbox page! -- Ken (talk) 04:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi, Wendy! Are you ready to pull out your hair some more? Take a look at something that I've been suspecting for a while: This! We finally have some large clear pictures that prove that Fisher-Price records were put inside the original Sesame Street Records books, and they didn't even care if the numbers were different! The number on the back cover, and the numbers on the red flap are all from the BR/BT series from the original Sesame Street records! The good news is that I needed that Fisher-Price number. And did you see that note at the bottom about more to come? Well, after the original 24, there weren't any more on the Sesame Street label, and it's even funnier that only 12 of the 24 were reissued on Fisher-Price. The "more to come" wouldn't happen until about 3 years later, when Golden began to reissue stuff from SS Records, and then they started making new ones. I hope all that made sense. We're closing in on forming some coherent guide to the book and record sets, and all subsequent permutations! -- Ken (talk) 05:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Hah! funnily enough I thought the books with the LISTEN! READ! whatever slogan were entirely from the FP sets until I found one with an SSR record in it. Mishmash every which way. Anyhow I grabbed that back cover thinking you might want it to illustrate the article/guide. -- Wendy (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I think we're going to find the first pressings don't have anything on them, and then later pressings will have the "Hear the Record" slogan, which I'll bet was an attempt to make them look more like the Disney ones. Sort of off topic, I've always wondered why there were never 12" book and records like the Disney ones. It's always seemed to me that they got into the book and record market quite late, and they didn't really make that many, compared to Disney. I also wonder why they chose the books they did to make records out of. I would have loved to have had What Ernie and Bert Did on Their Summer Vacation, with the original voices! Years ago, I attempted a tape read-along of my own with that book (I must have been about 9), but I erased it a long time ago. I can do Ernie, but I can never do Bert, and doing Grover always makes my throat hurt. I don't know how Frank did him! -- Ken (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

S&S SS Update

Just a brief update. I took the Sandbox designation off of the S&S page, since it now has all known numbers and titles, and I put the boxed sets at the bottom. By the way, I found the other one I was thinking of. It was a 2 tape set, with an entire album on each side of each tape! So I put that there, too. -- Ken (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, I thought I'd share this just for reference. We can't use the pictures, but there's a ton of information on here, so I'll mess with it in a while. Sorry I'm burying you with information (and there are some more Sony Wonder numbers on my user page that I don't know what to do with yet), but I've just been lucky with book and tape stuff lately. -- Ken (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to add to this, but I just thought of something else. Should we put book and tape stuff on the Western Publishing page, or on the Golden Music page? As you can see on the set of pictures linked above, there was just a "Golden" logo on the tapes and books, but this also overlaps the "Golden Music" period, which had a different logo. So I'm guessing that Golden treated these as two distinct divisions, kind of like the Columbia "pop" singles of SS songs, and their book and record sets. What do you think? -- Ken (talk) 03:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't answer before -- I was so tired last night I couldn't think straight. I think go ahead and include them with Western Publishing, if that's the logo that's on them. If the Golden Music was happening at the same time, but they didn't use that logo, then I think it wasn't Golden Music. Which makes sense, as Western probably owned all the book/story rights, which is what these were, even though they were tapes also. -- Wendy (talk) 01:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I just got home a few days ago from a plane trip to a friend's house, so I'm still getting back to normal stuff. Anyway, I wanted to mention that using Worldcat, I'm starting to find a whole bunch of titles that were book and audio, but we don't have them on here at all. So to avoid confusion, I'm going to create rough pages for them, but I'm just going to mention the book and audio information, and I'm just going to use the book's titles as the name of the page, like we have for books that are also book and audio sets. That way, if somebody finds the book-only version, it'll all go on the same page like the ones that we have now. Does that make sense? I'm going to be keeping my own notes as I gather more information. By the way, nice food wiki! I don't know where you find all your time! -- Ken (talk) 04:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
P.S. We now have 100 book and audio titles, and there's more to come! --Ken (talk) 05:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

LT book and tape sets

Hi, Wendy! I just stumbled across a whole bunch of numbers for the Sony Wonder book and tape sets. They're the ones that are on a big card, and they're covered in hard plastic. I was wondering if they would get a record box since they have Sony Wonder catalog numbers. For now, I'm just going to put the numbers on the page like we've been doing for the other ones. -- Ken (talk) 16:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

We don't usually do record books for book&tape, do we? I thought we did book boxes and/or galleries when the book had been released both by itself and with the tape. I think I'd stick with the normal format. But maybe they should get a discography page? -- Wendy (talk) 02:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how we should do this. I'm starting to see some titles coming out up to 4 or 5 times and it's really getting confusing until I can make some numerical lists by label. I know that we try not to duplicate information, but I think some label pages will help to cross-reference reissues. By the way, on the Sesame Street Book and Record Sets Discography page, do you only want the first editions that actually were on S&S Records? Last night, I went through and put whatever we had in the galleries on the big page, just to get familiar with what they look like. But then I noticed that they may have been the reissues from other companies, since some of them added the "Hear the record" stuff across the bottom. I'll move them back if you want, but I'm getting so confused, I can't even tell if the reissues were the same from company to company. I hope this makes sense. I'll write more later after I go find my notes. -- Ken (talk) 03:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually you might as well put all the versions on that discography, and all the numbers too. I had thought the "Hear the record" stuff was associated with the FP versions, but I know that some of those don't have that on them. And then I found an auction with that on the cover, but clearly a S&S record. <Wendy throws her hands up in defeat>. So I say, we use that page to keep track of an image and the title, and make it alphabetical (ie not by SS record number). Then either put all the various releases on it, or put none and leave them all on the pages. What do you think? -- Wendy (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! I hadn't thought of doing it that way until you said it, but that makes the most sense. I'm still keeping my own paperwork as I figure all this out. I'd like to eventually make gallery pages for each company that made read-alongs, but right now we're missing a lot of information. I might make some sandbox pages to see what we've got so far, because trying to remember how many times a book and record came out, and if we have a number and/or a picture just makes me more confused. I'll mess with the discography chart tonight, and we can add to it. Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 05:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The Saga of Sight & Sound

Okay, I don't know if you've run across any of this, but I just wanted to share what I've learned so far. Sight & Sound seems to have the same trouble that Sesame Street Records/Children's Records of America/Distingushed Productions has: tons of items that show up used (in this case mostly in libraries), but no current or historical company info on the Web. So I'm assuming that they're out of business. Also, S&S is variously credited as S&S Music Software, and S&S International. They also seem to have been tied up with music publishing, and some tapes may have come with song books or small sheet music books, so people could play or sing along with the tape. That means we might start finding these in places that sell used sheet music. I also had a question for you. Do we still have that multi-tape set somewhere? I think it was in a plastic case, and we saved it for reference, but I can't remember if you made a page, and I forgot if the whole set had a title. I'm asking because I think I found references to another S&S multi-tape set, and I wanted to see if it had the same tapes. I'll have some time next week to really dig into this era, and as you can tell, it's really been bugging me! I've been putting off writing a letter to CTW to see if I can talk to anybody about the history of the record division, but I'm just about going to have to. Just getting a complete list of titles would be nice, and any historical information would be even better! -- Ken (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ken -- I uploaded the images I had for the set and put them in Sandbox: Sight & Sound. I had pictures for the back of the case and the lyrics book that came with it also. So hopefully that will help you. I never did make a page for it because I didn't know what to call it -- there's no title given! Good luck with your digging; you've made some great progress with the MARC records and everything the last couple of days :). -- Wendy (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Those pictures are great! Now we have a bar code, and an address! I also noticed that sometimes they use GNL- and sometimes they don't, so I'll have to fix some of my information, which might be inaccurate, or titles might have come out both ways. I've also run across some ISBN's, which should help generate more titles and numbers. Thanks for the pictures! I might have some more to tell you about book and record/tape sets soon, too! -- Ken (talk) 04:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Christmas picture

Hi, Wendy! I noticed eBay has a picture of that "lost" Christmas album, Christmas on Sesame Street. The only trouble is that it's got a big bar code sticker right over Big Bird's face! Did you want to grab it just for future reference, or do you not want it? Thanks! -- Ken (talk) 18:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I just found the number! -- Ken (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow. yeah. Between the fuzziness, the contrast issues and the barcode that really isn't much of a picture. I think I'll wait; somebody will have a better shot. Good deal on finding the number though! -- Wendy (talk) 21:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that was a total accident. One of the libraries had a link on the catalog page to go to a more detailed item record. Then I saw something called a MARC record, and inside that was a whole bunch of columns and coding, but I noticed that every single facet of the album was broken down into a separate line: every song title, the album title, the year, etc. Well, one line said "BQT 19644 CBS Special Products", but that number wasn't on the main page. I've never seen a BQT before, but 19644 would be around 1986, so I typed BQT into Google, and got a Weird Al tape from 1986, so that's a good prefix. My hunch is that it's a prefix for things that were budget tapes only, but you never know! So now I'm thinking that if we can search by MARC records, we might find hidden information that we don't normally see on the regular Worldcat page, and that might help us learn more about Sight & Sound, which is one of the things I'm going to do next. -- Ken (talk) 04:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to keep adding to this, but I was right! If we're lucky enough to get from a Worldcat page to the library's page, and if the item is still in their system, and if there is a "MARC record" link, the catalog number will be there, even if it's nowhere else up to that point! I've already found another number I didn't have, so now I know what I'm doing tonight! -- Ken (talk) 01:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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