Muppet Wiki talk:Name That Puppet

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Pamela

Monster Group

See this Green AM Monster Next to Grover? Do you know her name is or what appearances she made in? Munchlax129 2:03, 12 October 2006

She kind of looks like Arlene Frantic to me. -- Peter (talk) 18:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Her name is Pamela. --Deanmo19 18:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Poco Loco

Season 7 Cast

See that Muppet Character Between Grover and Oscar? Did that character have a name or appear in any Sketches? oh yes was he an Early character? -- Munchlax129 2:01, 10 October 2006

That's Poco Loco. — Scott (talk) 18:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

FilFil

Any takers on this one? He appeared in a couple talk spots with kids in Season 36.. -- Scott (talk) 19:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

He's reffered to on the set as FilFil. Scooter 19:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Is anything else done with his character other than talk spots? -- Scott (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, not really. He does the parades and he's used as a backround monster when needed. He does a few backround shots in the new season. Pam Arciero puppeteered him for a musical number called "It Takes A Street" Scooter 21:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, how do you know what he is called? Do you work for Sesame Workshop? --Minor muppetz 22:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Scooter's contributions are trusted. And we'll leave it at that. -- Scott (talk) 22:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

We already have a Filfil, who's a character from Alam Simsim. This guy looks vaguely similar -- I wonder if that's why he's got the same name? -- Danny (talk) 00:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

They are the same design, and quite possibly the same pattern, which is why he's reffered to as FilFil. Maybe a FilFil (US) title is appropriate Scooter 00:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Or, you could use the alternate capitalisation instead. Filfil and FilFil. -- Zanimum 12:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Alternate related question. In Episode 4061, I linked to "Show and Tell", which seems like the logical name of a series of spots with Ernie and a kid, in a class room. It seems like the immediate predcessor segment to the talk spots. Should these segments all be discussed as one article, and what should it be called, as Show and Tell is taken. -- Zanimum 17:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The segment with Ernie talking to kids is actually called Ernie's Show and Tell. I think that the skits for FilFil talking to kids should just be listed in the Muppet & Kid Moments page. That page lists the skits where various Muppets have unscripted conversations with real kids. --Minor muppetz 14:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The Music Store Owner

Is there a name for The Music Store owner in Emmet Otter's Jug-band Christmas. She seems to be the only character from the special that isn't on the wiki. I have some good infomation and whatnot to add about her, but I don't know where to put it. I watched the special and the behind the scenes documentary and her name (and species) is never mentioned. Does the original book have any information? Should she just be "Music Store Owner"? What should we call her? -- Brad D. (talk) 01:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

From What I have heard The Music Store Owner was Peformed by Eren Ozker.-- 2009Crbeverlin 1:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Craig, where did you hear that? That kind of information is only useful if you can back it up with a source. -- Danny (talk) 19:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Her singing voice was Marilyn Sokol. Should we call her "The Music Store Owner" or is there a better name for her page? -- Brad D. (talk) 23:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

She's not in the book. I think "Music Store Owner" is going to be the best we can do for her. -- Danny (talk) 00:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I've Actually Heard that At the Jim Henson Database.-- 2009Crbeverlin 9:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... I don't know the Database that well, so I don't know if that's a reliable source or not. -- Danny (talk) 13:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

MuppeTelevision dragon

A couple of dragons appear in the Hat Sharpener sketch in Episode 103: Monster Telethon, but this particular one looks to resemble Clyde quite closely. The article for Clyde mentions that he was a two part puppet which appeared as a standard hand-puppet in addition to being a full-body. Could this fella be a rebuilt version of Clyde, or perhaps another character from Puppetman?

It's not Clyde at all. It's Earl. You can't tell from the sketch, which was the only image I could get, but it's him. If you post the other dragon, I can probably ID it as well. The Dragon Time puppets were all pretty distinctive. Andrew Leal (talk) 16:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the quality is not that great for the others as they're all inthe background and obscured, but these should give you an idea: Image:Dragon2.jpg, Image:Dragon3.jpg, Image:Dragon4.jpg. — Scott (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

No. 3 and 4 aren't from Puppetman, or anything as far as I know. No. 2 is Candle. Andrew Leal (talk) 17:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome to use them on the character pages. Otherwise, unless someone has a use for them, I'm going to delete them. — Scott (talk) 17:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

3 and 4 can be deleted, but the other two are worth keeping, yeah, unless at some point my morals give way and I find a way to swap VHS tapes and sneak out Syracuse's temporary dupe. By the way, Clyde was never a hand puppet. I re-read the article. The only thing was his head was shown on a pike for the closing. Andrew Leal (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

clown girl

Has this character appeared anywhere else? I can't recall ever having seen her elsewhere, but she's pretty interesting looking. It's from Episode 203: Milton Berle. She doesn't have a personality or even a discernable voice (she sings in a chorus), but if she's got other appearances, it might be worth making a page for her. -- Scott (talk) 21:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that clown is also in Episode 103: Joel Grey in the Comedy Tonight act. With a nose though. -- Jog 22:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC) Jog

So, is that enough to make a page for? -- Scott (talk) 20:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It looks like [1]. I think they redressed her as little kid characters in the early days. Scooter 21:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. Unless the screencap is bad, the color seems wrong. -- Peter (talk) 21:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, if both Mary Louise and the clown girl appeared in "Comedy Tonight," they probably can't be the same puppet. -- Peter (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Pink Girl

Unknown pink muppet

A friend has a quilt from her childhood with a stack of Sesame St. muppets on it, including a pink girl reading a "Ghost Stories" book with Grover. I think she's either Bett Lou or Prairie Dawn, but the hair and clothes don't really match. Can anyone else identify her more accurately? --Mlambie 20:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

It's Prairie Dawn, but with different clothes. --Minor muppetz 13:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Frog

Frog from Frogs in the Glen.

Does anybody know the name of this frog? If not, who should we call him? --Deanmo19 20:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Why does he *need* a name? What's unique about him that he recquires his own page outside of a reference on Frogs? Andrew Leal (talk) 02:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

That's just how he is. He needs to know every stupid little detail. It's an AM Frog. If he was ever named, I'll eat my hat.Scooter 22:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Light Blue Woman Muppet

Who is that woman?

Any clue on this Muppet woman from the 2004 Sesamstrasse episode? --Deanmo19 20:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It was actually a 2005 episode, and it's Madame Caneloni, as can be seen here. You can glimpse part of the name on the poster in your image. Andrew Leal (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Sesame Lion

I feel like I should know who this Sesame Street lion is, but I can't place him. Is he on the wiki? -- Danny (talk) 02:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I wanna say his name is Chicago...but I could be wrong. Scooter 03:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the same puppet to me. --MuppetVJ 03:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

That's the one, thank you! -- Danny (talk) 03:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)]

Crossing Sesame Street

Who's the adult?

Okay, so they're not puppets... Found this image in the book Learn at Home the Sesame Street Way. One is of an adult who I presume was one of those shortlived 70s characters. -- Zanimum 12:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The adult in the second picture is Linda. -- Danny (talk) 13:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You're sure? It doesn't look like her to me. They have other pictures of her in the book, from that era, and she looks like how I remember her. -- Zanimum 13:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that's Linda. I've never seen her before. -- Scott (talk) 14:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it's Linda caught in a strange expression. Look at the sweater. Linda wore sweaters like that because she couldn't hear people telling her they looked awful. -- Danny (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe. Did you look at the full size version of the image? She looks like she's in her 50s. -- Scott (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't we all have days like that? -- Danny (talk) 16:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Not with this baby face. -- Scott (talk) 20:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we're going to get an answer on this beyond what we've already done. Is it okay if I take this off the page, so it doesn't distract from the actual puppets? -- Danny (talk) 20:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Harriet

Susan's grandma? David's grandma? A random kids' grandma?

Okay, so they're not puppets... Found these images in the book Learn at Home the Sesame Street Way. One is of a grandmother... -- Zanimum 12:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The old woman gave me a case of SIRE (Sudden Instant Recall Effect), but I don't know her name. -- Scott (talk) 14:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Would the lady be Harriet, as played by Clarice Taylor? IMDb says a character by that name started in 1976, and that site once had a listing for a character called Clarice, also starting in 1976, that I had put a while back into Wikipedia. -- Zanimum 14:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's two pictures of Clarice, both in 1971's Play Misty for Me... [2] -- Zanimum 14:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

This forum thread seems to indicate that it is David's Grandma. -- Scott (talk) 14:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Clarice Taylor was... "Best known on TV for playing the recurring role of Harriet (David's grandmother) on "Sesame Street" (1969) and Bill Cosby's mother on "The Cosby Show" (1984)." -- Peter (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Sneegle

Now look to the very right of the photograph. There is this muppet monster that has crooked eyes, a frill, and dog-like teeth. Has this character appeared anywhere else or have a name? --Dark Frackle 03:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm Assuming that this character was an early version of Gloat, and maybe he was one of those commercial characters used in the early 60s.-- 2009Crbeverlin 10:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

This puppet has some similarities to the later "Gloat" puppet, but it's structurally all different. -- Scott, Scarecroe 14:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I got it! This is Sneegle. -- Danny (talk) 10:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Mert the La Choy Man

Does this character have a name? He's from the La Choy Chow Mein commercials. -- Big V 16:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, no. -- Deanmo19 16:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if we can't find a name, this calls for (fanfare) MAKING A NAME UP!!!! Hows about, La Choy Spokesman -- Big V 17:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bit hesitant about the "spokesman" label. The Munchos Spokesman is just that, serving as announcer and pitchman for the product. This character is more of a utility player, with a more transient identity, role varying according to the commercial. In the YouTube ad, he appears as a LaChoy exec, but in other ads (two of which are transcribed here), he appears variously as a homeowner whose domain is invaded by the true pitchman, the dragon (in the same way that he interrupted live action shoppers and housewives), in another as a picketer campaigning for crisp chow mein, and in another as a man on the street. So personally, "LaChoy Man" would seem a safer label. But you might give it a little time, at least a few more days, on the off chance. See Name That Puppet: Solved, and note how long it took for one canine's name to be confirmed as Lyle the Dog. --Andrew, Aleal 19:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It took about 10 days to figure that dog's name out. -- Big V 19:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

How about La Choy Spokesman? That could be the name of this character. --Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 10:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Andrew already argued in his previous post in this thread why Spokesman would be a misleading term. I agree with him the LaChoy Man would be a better name unless we come unearth something more official. --Peter Pantalones 14:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I got the info from Karen Falk -- his name is Mert. -- Danny (talk) 22:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Full-Bodied Humanoids

Does anyone know the name of the full-bodied Muppet that Rita Moreno fights with in the opening number of episode 105 of The Muppet Show?--Pantalones 16:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think he has a name. I think it would be best to just call him The Beatnik. --Minor muppetz 20:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Is there not even a name for that type of humanoid full-bodied Muppet? Weren't there similar ones used in a Charles Aznavour number?--Pantalones 20:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

For one thing, he's not even a Beatnik, just a Frenchman. Kermitage.com, which again can be useful but also arbitrary at times, refers to the fullbody type in both the Moreno and Aznavour episode (and also cites the Sandy Duncan episode} as "The Humans," consisting of two male types and two female types. This may be because they seem to be variations of the human farmers like Caleb Siles from The Muppet Musicians of Bremen, where it's not necessarily a full creature costume but a puppet head (and possibly gloves, I can't recall) and just a regular outfit. Whether it was an official designation, I'm not sure. --Andrew, Aleal 20:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Would this style also be like those who appear in the Liberace episode? How about the Farmer from Bunny Picnic? -- Scott Scarecroe 23:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I've missed the Liberace episode, but the Farmer, while a bit more padded it seemed to me (Marty Robinson always looks slighter in build than the burly Farmer), would count, in my opinion. Indeed, maybe that would make for a good Muppet Character Types page. Especially as in these cases, as opposed to King Rupert the Second, movement seemed minimal and they seemed to be more of a middle ground between humans and Muppets than a fully caricatured humanoid Muppet. --Andrew, Aleal 23:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Since he had no name, I guess we'll refer to him as "The Cafe Bully". --Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 23:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

We could, but not necessarily will; in that sketch, Rita becomes the bully. -- MuppetDude 17:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

What do you guys think of "Full Body Humans"? Besides the guy in the Rita Moreno episode, there's another one with a brown moustache and two ladies, so he's a part of a group; they can be seen in the Charles Aznavour episode (in the clip that was sadly cut from the DVD set). -- Jog 14:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC) Jog

I'm all in favor of "Full Body Humans" unless we can find actual names, and I'm inclined to doubt it at this. It can work like Bears and Frogs, and describe the unnamed ones, and also list ones like Caleb Stiles or The Farmer. --Andrew, Aleal 21:45, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I say we include the word Muppets. With frogs and bears and chickens, it's kind of obvious, but Full Body Humans doesn't automatically sound like we're talking about characters. What about "Full-bodied Human Muppets"? Or maybe it should be Humanoid? -- Pantalones 15:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

"Full-bodied Human Muppets" feels way too long to me. I'm liking "Full-Bodied Humanoids," which shows that the page isn't about Dom DeLuise's weight or anything. --Andrew, Aleal 15:45, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

What about Muppet Humans? --Peter Pantalones 15:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thing is, that could also be applied to J. P. Grosse or Leo. Full-Bodied should be there somewhere (part of my message was eaten earlier, but I like "Full-Bodied Humanoids"). --Andrew, Aleal 15:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I could live with that. --Peter Pantalones 16:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of this Guy, does anyone know who played him? Could It have been Richard? Dave? Jim? John Lovelady? I have no idea. --Ted Kermit2000

Name that cameo

Does anyone else think this could be Kirk Thatcher? I've seen him in all the known cameos and interviews, and I watched him for a whole day on stage for MuppetFest, and I'm thinking it's him. I've looked at this clip quite a bit, and I'm pretty convinced, but I wanted to know what others thought. -- Scott Scarecroe 13:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not as familiar with his voice, but given the nose and the chin, I'd say it's him. For those without immediate YouTube access, I uploaded a screengrab: Image:Klingon.jpg. --Andrew, Aleal 13:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, no one else has chimed in on this with a strong rebuttal, and I'm feeling pretty strong about it being Kirk. So, I'm gonna go ahead and say that it's him until we're told it's not. -- Scott, Scarecroe 16:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

One thing that supports the idea is that Kirk is a huge Star Trek fan, and he worked on three of the Star Trek films. So it's reasonable to think that they'd have him do that cameo as an in-joke. -- Danny Toughpigs 11:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, plus Bill makes a cameo earlier in the scene. The writers went total geek on that episode. Even the song over the end credits uses a Star Trek sound effect. -- Scott, Scarecroe 17:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Munchos Spokesman

Does anyone know who this bald guy is? He is also seen on the front cover of TVGuide from January 3 - 9, 1969. I presume he is also from an early appearance, But does anyone know exactly what? --Warrick 14:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

He's the Whatnot who would later be turned (permanently) to Zelda Rose. -- Jog 15:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC) Jog

Do you really think so? I didn't think it was. But more to the point, Do we know why this particular version of the Puppet was made? --Warrick 15:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

He looks a little like one of The Wizard of Id characters. -- MuppetDude 16:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

None of the Id puppets looked like that. I haven't actually seen any other images of the Id puppets outside of the actual film. I agree with Jog in saying that it's a whatnot that would eventually be Zelda Rose.151.197.57.11 21:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Nope, definitely not an Id character (seen that clip). And I don't know what this particular version of the Whatnot starred in, either... -- Jog 22:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I think this was an early Sesame Street character. A long time ago I saw a boardroom scene where Muppets were discussing the creation of Sesame Street, and who it was for. I think this guy was in the room. I laughed hardest when a nasally Frank Oz-voiced Muppet called another executive an idiot. I believe it followed Rowlf and Kermit's naming the new show conversation. - CarlTheBigMean 22:29, 10 April 2006

I know who he is! He's the star of the Muncho chips commercials from 1969. The commercials also had an early version of Cookie Monster. -- Big V 22:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

And that early version of Cookie was named Arnold (according to the SS Unpaved book). -- MuppetDude 15:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it was just put up on Youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8rgBEJRZfI&search=Muppets

Now that he's been placed we have to try and name him. Sandwichpuncher 22:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

How about Munchos Spokesman? Until an official name comes about of course. -- Scott Scarecroe 23:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone posted these at MC. Looks like they could be used for the wiki. Dunno if you guys have seen it yet, as I'm pretty out of the loop.

Scooter 02:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Scoop

Does the blue guy from the Sesame Street sales piece have a name? He was performed by Frank Oz and suggested show titles like "The Two and Two are Five Show" and "Hey, Stupid!" --Minor muppetz 14:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Thats Scoop from the Wilson's Meats commercials! Only this time in color. -- Warrick 07:46, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Aliens

These guys were also in an ad for Muppet Magazine, and I'm trying to figure out what they might have been built for, if anything. --Nate Radionate 22:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

They have a home here: Aliens (Muppet Show) -- Scott Scarecroe 23:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The Danceros

Was this guy anything? I got him out of a Muppet Magazine, and I swear I saw him in a sketch, but I can't pull him up anywhere here. --Nate Radionate 22:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Now this is an easy one, and he's already on the Wiki. One of The Danceros! --Andrew, Aleal 22:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

In fact, he's all of the Danceros. --GrantHarding 00:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Franklin

This character appeared in a Jim Henson Hour segment (this is from Danny's transcript of "Monster Telethon"), as a husband in a "soap opera", and performed by Kevin Clash. Did he appear again on that series, and was he ever named? I know he dates back at least to 1985, when he appeared in a Muppet Meeting Film about benefits, again played by Kevin Clash. He shows up a lot in the Meeting Films, in fact, but with different performers and different roles, from janitor to droning boss, so I'm not at all sure what to label him. --Andrew, Aleal 22:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I found it! His name's Franklin (in the "Now Hear This!" meeting film). Better yet, his wife is in the same sketch; she's Maxine. -- MuppetDude 16:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hooray! Do we have an earlier name for him, though? Well, no matter. For now, Franklin works very well. --Andrew, Aleal 16:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Non-Muppets

WASHINGTON, : US First Lady Hillary Clinton (L) poses with "Robo Crook"(R) a character from the television program Sesame Street at the White House in Washington, DC 26 June. Mrs. Clinton moderated a panel discussion on the role of Public Television in educating children. AFP PHOTO (Photo credit should read JAMAL WILSON/AFP/Getty Images) http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51688621.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=AE5E3E7DB8E3141706750D6192C019D8

Relationships expert Dr. Joyce Brothers w. puppets from television series Sesame Street. (Photo by David Mcgough/DMI/Time Life Pictures/Getty Images) http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/50732750.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4996399091E831863D7497C37CC525B6A55A1E4F32AD3138

Are any of these characters actually from Sesame Street, or is Getty Images just crazy? -- Zanimum 02:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Getty is crazy. Robocrook is a costumed version of an animated character from Where in the Worlds is Carmen Sandiego from PBS, and Joyce Brothers is with the cast of The Great Space Coaster. So entirely non-Muppet. --Andrew, Aleal 02:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Good. I thought at most they had never made the air, but it's good to know Getty is crazy. -- Zanimum 15:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The Scary Thought

This Witch/Ghost creature is on the front cover of TVGuide from January 3 - 9, 1969. Ive also seen the creature in Jim Henson: The Works. I should think that she comes from something made around the time of Tales of the Tinkerdee? Anyone got anything? -- Warrick 11:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it was made for The Organised Mind (it appeared in the 1974 version, at least). The creature pops up in Limbo's "scary thoughts" section, slithering towards the screen with its jaws open. If it's not specifically made for anything else, maybe we could call it "The Scary Thought". -- Jog 12:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. Although it looks like quite alot of work has gone into this (Maybe made by Jim himself?), And I dont know if they would have made something so detailed for the length of time its on screen in that sketch. If I recall correctly. It's like a second? --Warrick 13:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I was privileged to see all of the sketches from MT&R's "Muppet Rarities" compilation last week, and this creature also appeared with other monsters in the opening for the first The Mike Douglas Show episode of the Muppets' guest week. No name mentioned, no dialogue either, but it does raise the slight possibility, with two confirmed appearances on that series and possibly others, that the creature was indeed made for the series (or made for something elese but only used on the series). --Andrew, Aleal 13:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Andrew, what do you think about calling that Creature 'The Scary Thought'? If you agree, I'll make a page for it --Warrick 14:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

While I wish we knew more, it certainly seems the best and most appropriate label we have for now, and one clearly supplied by context and not a random designation (which is always good), so sure! --Andrew, Aleal 14:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've made a page. Hopefully we can add some more info to it sooner rather than later! Should it be in a Catrgory of Muppets that were only seen on TV appearances, Rather than in The Muppet Characters category? Also, I think it should be left on this page until we find out a REAL name for the creature. The Scary Thought ! --Warrick 14:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a Muppet character regardless, so it wouldn't be an "instead of," but yeah, I have considered whether we need a category for variety show characters and those used only as guests on other programs (i.e. Socks the Cat, Disagreeable Sandwich, and Muppet Doctor). --Andrew, Aleal 14:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I've just added a photo of Brian and John (holding the creature) preparing for Halloween. I think it might be nice to have a category for Characters that were used only in appearances in the early years. It seems like that is when most of the one of Characters were appearing on shows, As the years went on it was more of a guest appearance by the main character from a certain show --Warrick 14:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

That sounds more like a neat list than a category, if we're making distinctions according to time frame, which isn't done on any of the other categories. Plus than one could include air dates and so forth. --Andrew, Aleal 14:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't really get what your last line ment there... --Warrick 14:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

In a list, one could include television air dates for appearances of the early characters, to sort of trace the development chronologically. You couldn't do that in a category, and again, I think an "Early TV Appearance Characters" category is too narrowed. If we do create a category for one-shot appearances on other shows, it should include everyone. Those distinctions otherwise don't exist in any other category. --Andrew, Aleal 14:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I get what you mean. I just thougth of something, Its a long shot tho. Do you think that this muppet could have been one of the creatures that come out of the walls in Johnny Carson and the Muppet Machine? There are sketches of this kind of thing in Designs and Doodles, Like the one on this page... Haviland P. Squill --Warrick 15:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it. The sketches of the "Fearzogs" all more closely resemble Splurge. There's no evidence that, as it was just a proposal, that any of the designed critters were actually built. Finally, the chronology is all wrong. The TV appearances for the "Scary Thought" were in 1966, the Carson proposal is dates as circa 1968 and 1969. --Andrew, Aleal 15:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I suppose thats true. Although The Scary Thought was used in that 1969 photshoot. I'll ask Karen Falk! --Warrick 15:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The 1969 photo shoot only proves that the puppet was still around (a lot of obscurities in that image), not that it was intended for that special, but if you have Karen Falk's contact info, *definitely* ask about it! --Andrew, Aleal 16:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

There was a photoshoot for Johnny Carson and the Muppet Machine? If I misunderstood, to what photoshoot do you refer?

Also, did this creature actually appear on the Mike Douglas Show, or was it just in the film? -- Scott Scarecroe 16:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Warrick's referring to the photo he'd added to the main page, of Jim Henson surrounded by early Muppet characters. I don't think he meant that it was a Carson photoshoot. And yes, in the opening from the first episode, where Kermit the Frog introduces Mike to his audience, the creature is there. It also surfaced dancing over the closing credits in the final episode of the Muppet guest week (I'd forgotten about that, in fact, despite having seen it last Wednesday!) --Andrew, Aleal 16:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Scott, Here is that image... [1969 Photoshoot]. I'll add about The Scary Thought being in the closing too. Where did you see the Jim Rarities? --Warrick 16:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

It's way up in this increasingly sprawling, tired discussion, but I spent an afternoon at the Museum of Television and Radio last week (which as far as I know, is if not the only, the primary source for that compilation, unless bootlegs are floating about). In a couple of cases, like You and I and George, I realized I wasn't sure if a sketch was from Mike Douglas or Jimmy Dean, the way the variety sketches were all lumped together with only one year stamp for each show, but I know the opening and closing were from Mike Douglas, because of the title cards and credits. --Andrew, Aleal 16:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Right, I see. I'd love to be able to see that stuff someday! BTW, Scott where did that image come from that you have used on The Scary Thought's page? --Warrick 16:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Rowlf was the only muppet to appear on The Jimmy Dean Show. --Minor muppetz 02:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

He wasn't, his nephew also appeared, but that's not what I was talking about anyway (why I linked to You and I and George; I couldn't recall if Rowlf's performance was from Jimmy Dean or Mike Douglas, and now I check my notes, it might have even been Our Place, so I just listed it as 60s variety show). --Andrew, Aleal 03:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

This whole discussion sort of derailed, but now that there's a The Scary Thought page, with a fairly clear image and basically everything we know about this character at the moment, can we go ahead and move this to Name That Puppet: Solved? There's still a few purely anonymous critters here who need help, and right now it's taking up most of the page, especially as by now it's became basically a general conversation. --Andrew, Aleal 21:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Hands from Muppets On Puppets and Elsewhere

A short clip from this sketch shows up in The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson. A big hand dances behind a television set, and a bunch of smaller hands watch angrily for a while and then jump on the television and tear it apart. Where is this from? --GrantHarding 00:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

This came from "Muppets on Puppets" from 1968. - Barry Lee

Coo! Any other info on the sketch, or is it pretty much just the way I described it? --GrantHarding 01:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, though the sketch did appear in Muppets on Puppets, it originated in a 1966 appearance on The Mike Douglas Show (I don't have an exact date yet), and was included in the Museum of Television and Radio's "Muppetr Rarities" compilation. That version, though it was probably basically the same, was another "underdog/nonconformist" battle, along the lines of Java or Sclrap Flyapp. A group of hands with swirls are dancing to a jazz beat, while the one hand keeps bringing out different devices, including the TV but first a radio, to play and dance to "Stars and Stripes Forever." Finally, a phonograph doubles as a cannon, blowing the other hands away. They deserve a page! --Andrew, Aleal 02:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Aretha

File:Carolmonster.jpg

This monster, with a moving eyebrow mechanism, was seen as a female chorus member in The Muppet Christmas Carol, a male pirate in Muppet Treasure Island, a background character in It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, and a flying monkey in The Muppets' Wizard of Oz. However, unlike the wagon driver or the monocled pirate, I'm not sure this puppet doesn't predate the more recent movies. Any clues? --Andrew, Aleal 23:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

More likely, it's Aretha, who also appeared in Fraggle Rock. --Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 23:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

"More likely?" Yes or no? I haven't seen the Aretha episode, but have you, and can you confirm? --Andrew, Aleal 23:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I have seen the Aretha episode, and it was a brown monster with a pink nose, orange eyes, and moving eyelids. --Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 23:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep, that's Aretha all right. --GrantHarding 01:24, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I also say its Aretha. Built for Fraggle Rock, reused in the Movies and on Mopatop's Shop and recently refurbished by James Wojtal -- Warrick 21:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

DEFINITELY Aretha. -- Jog 00:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Paul Revere

Anybody got a name for the goofy looking orange horse that Bob Hope rides in the "Don't Fence Me In" number? -- Danny Toughpigs 19:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Supposedly, in the Pearl Bailey episode, he was named Paul Revere. And according to Of Muppets and Men photos, in his first appearance, the head and voice were Jerry Nelson, but Richard Hunt and Dave Goelz performed the legs. --Andrew, Aleal 19:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Aleal is right. His name is Paul Revere. -- User:Deanmo19 19:38, February 28, 2006

Iago the Donkey

This donkey appeared, with other animals, in The Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland. Now, I know I've seen him before, in either Sesame Street or Muppet Show episodes or both, but I can't place where, or his name. Any takes? --Andrew, Aleal 22:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

He's actually from "Sesame Street", and he's named Eriberto Burro in the special "Global Grover" segment where Grover talks about Mexico. --Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 22:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but this predates Global Grover. Any other names or approximate date for first appearance? --Andrew, Aleal 01:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

His first appearance on "Sesame Street" was Season 21. --Dean, Deanmo19 0

He was originally named "Iago", and was one of Oscar's pets (which probably explains why the donkey has a grouchy expression on him). -- MuppetDude 15:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Small Bossmen

Name That Puppet

Anybody know what these guys are called? -- Danny Toughpigs 15:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Most of the times I've seen that picture included in reference books, he's referred to as one of the Gawky Birds. While he looks like he's operated about the same way, though, I'm not sure. He actually looks more like the unholy love child of a Gawky Bird and a Bossman. Anyone know what episode(s) he appeared in? That might help. --Andrew, Aleal 16:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I've seen them in the Ben Vereen and Elke Sommer episodes. I think he's a smaller variation of the Bossmen. His head and waist (and possibly feet, which may be mitts) are operated on rods, while his hands are gloves. -- MuppetDude 17:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

In the special I Love Muppets, Gonzo lists all kinds of strange creatures on The Muppet Show. He mentions "Spineys" somewhere. I don't think the fanbase ever heard of Spineys (I know I never heard that name on The Muppet Show or anywhere else in my video collection); maybe this is a Spiney? -- Jog 17:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

I don't know the name, but I'm with most people when I say that these are rod puppets (like The Gwaky Birds or The Bossmen). I'm pretty sure that this puppet is smaller than the one I mentioned, though. --Dark Frackle 22:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

They are Spineys. Gonzo says it at the correct time in the montage of Muppets in I Love Muppets -- Warrick 19:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

That's the thing though, he doesn't. He says "Spineys" at the same time The Rubber Band Men are shown. But then there's Humpty Dumpty, the Baby Band and a bunch of rats in the same montage, which are definitely not called "Clodhoppers", "Fazoobs" or "Frackles". The pictures in the montage are not a truthful source... -- Jog 08:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

Maybe Gonzo was just randomly listing a type of creature. It looks like Spinneys could have been a refference to Caroll Spinney. -- Minor muppetz 07:45, February 21, 2006

Heehee, not Spinney. Spine-y. As in, spine. -- Jog 15:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

Okay, here's the source material. Gonzo lists: the Swedish Chef, Sweetums, Beaker, the Foobs, Fazoobs, Spineys, Gawky Birds, Clodhoppers, Mutations, Koozbanians, and Rizzo. (The montage shows the Chef, Sweetums, Beaker, the Snerfs, Thog, the Rubber Band Men, Humpty Dumpty, the Baby Band, dancing rats, singing coconuts, the Lion, and Rizzo.) -- Jog 16:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

Kermitage says that they are simply small Bossmen. - BradFraggle 21:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but where did Kermitage get it from? Of course, going through the print books again, i.e. Of Muppets and Men and Art of the Muppets, both texts present the image with the generic caption "a rod puppet," but place it facing the passages discussing the Bossmen, Gawky Birds, and outher outsized Muppets. So maybe they are Bossmen, but would be nice to find another source other than Kermitage. If not, split the difference? The Bossy Birds? --Andrew, Aleal 22:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Kermitage got it from me. That was my cruddy character guide they used (and not even the complete guide since they didn't have pictures for all the characters in the list). I didn't know much back in 2002. -- Jog 23:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

I would like to point out that while nobody seems to know if there was ever actually any muppet characters called Spineys, there is an enemie species in the Super Mario Bros. games called Spineys/ They are the small creatures with spikes on their backs, and they usually hatched from eggs dropped by Latiku. --Minor muppetz 00:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

These were originally designed for Nancy Sinatras Vegas Show, Right? Maybe there is mention of their names in Designs and Doodles? I know that the Fazoobs and Bossmen are in there... -- Warrick 12:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Nope, there's not even sketches of those guys in there. -- Jog 09:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

Definitely not a spinney. We referred to them as small bossmen. Spinneys were made for a possible Broadway show and then finally used in Dark Crystal--rebuilt of course. Rollie 28 February 2006

By the way, which characters from The Dark Crystal were rebuilt from the Spineys? --Minor muppetz 13:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Vile Bunch Guitarist

The Vile Bunch guitarist.

Does this member of The Vile Bunch have a name? -- Scott, Scarecroe 04:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess we should refer to him as the "Weird Hairy Guitarrist". -- Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 12:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

"Weird" is subjective, and not in line with wiki standards. If we can't figure out his official name, I'd be more prone to going with "Vile Bunch Guitarist." -- Scott, Scarecroe 18:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Lyle the Dog

Tired Dog

This tired-looking dog appears in the UK spot for Episode 414: Liza Minnelli. Does he have a name? There's a whole bunch of mystery dogs, actually. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Of Muppets and Men simply refers to him as "an old dog, sort of a hound," no name. The puppet was recycled a lot, of course, and I know in one episode of Dog City, where he was a Texas businessdog played by David Rudman, he had a name. What that name is, however, has long since left the boulevards and avenues of my mind. I blame Surelick Bones. --Andrew, Aleal 22:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

That guy is called the All-Dog Network Announcer from Episode 104: Dog City of The Jim Henson Hour.--Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 22:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

On Dog City he's referred to as Colonel Claghound. He was also a "watchdog" in a Muppet Magazine, I think. -- MuppetDude 16:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Tony. Well, we have two identities cleared (Colonel Claghound and All Dog Network announcer), both of which qualify for character pages on their own, but what do we use for the main one? This is sort of like the Kermit/Maurice debate, but I really don't want to use "All Dog Network Announcer" as his primary identity, considering he'd been around for nearly 10 years prior to that, unless we have no choice. Of Muppets and Men simply describes him as "an old-looking dog, sort of a bloodhound." Which isn't fully accurate in zoological terms, but if nothing else comes up, "Old Bloodhound" might work, to match Afghan Hound and Wolfhound. Thoughts? -- Andrew, Aleal 00:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree with "Old Bloodhound", unless we can come up with something better. Does anyone remember which Muppet Show sketches he appears in? "Pass That Peace Pipe" doesn't really give us much, but maybe another sketch might give us a decent handle for him. -- Danny Toughpigs 00:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

He appeared in Episode 523: Linda Ronstadt, in "The Cat Came Back" number, where he was identified as Benny's neighbor, who briefly takes the cat, and is played by Richard Hunt. I know he appeared in other sketches with the other dogs, but that's the main one I remember him from. --Andrew, Aleal 00:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

We always called him Lyle after Lyle Conway the designer/builder. He may have been called something else for a particular show but that was his common name to us. Rollie 28 February 2006

That's good enough for me -- I created a Lyle the Dog page. -- Danny Toughpigs 16:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Yay! Now we can go back and try to spot Lyle, rather than "that dog." And that's a pretty cool backstage detail too. --Andrew, Aleal 16:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Sacrificial Idol

"Sacrificial Idol," the sequel to American Idol.

What should we call this character? Kermitage.com calls him The Idol, but I'm not sure if that's accurate. The design looks Hindu in origin, but the setting of the sketch has hints of Paganism. Blame Andrew: he got me on the deities kick today. I've made a clip available on YouTube for reference. -- Scott, Scarecroe 23:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. When I made the Kermitage list, I copied the name from somewhere else. No idea where I got it from, I guess some Electric Mayhem fansite. It's definitely not the official name. -- Jog 23:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

If we're going to use a temporary name, I'd at least like it to be accurate to what the character is representing. So I'm open to suggestions. I started going through some Hindu deities, but I got tired of that real quick. Maybe a generalization is best after all. -- Scott, Scarecroe 00:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, a quick Google search on "Indian deities" and bird-like netted me the Garuda: http://snark.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/garuda/garuda-logo.gif

Wikipedia has a more in-depth article on him, and like many deities his depictions vary (and in almost all versions, he doesn't seem to have the arms), but in images like the above and others, he's pretty close. If not, he's almost certainly a Hindu Idol, so that alone might work. --Andrew, Aleal 00:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sticking with Hinduism as he appears to be a cross of Garuda, Devi and Vishnu. Which, when you look at the varying illustrations of them, they've all been depicted in a number of different versions.

Likewise, Hindu tradition holds that the worship is not for the statue, but for the god who inhabits the statue. Which the writers of The Muppet Show seemed to have hit pretty close to the mark on.

"Hindu Idol" is looking like our best bet right now. -- Scott, Scarecroe 02:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand, I'm having trouble finding any cases of human sacrifices being performed in Hinduism. I have, however, found that human sacrifice was more common with Tantrism, which apparently sprung from Hindu tradition. So "Tantric Idol" may be more accurate.

I love that this conversation exists. -- Scott Scarecroe 02:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, here's a Tantric Idol image, so I think that would work. Though it would also probably go on Danny's naughty list, given the connotation of tantric sex. --Andrew, Aleal 03:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I think "Hindu Idol" works -- that picture looks remarkably like the puppet, and I think it would be cool to include that in the article. So what if they didn't do human sacrifice? They probably weren't pigs either. -- Danny Toughpigs 04:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we should be somewhat careful with what we name it. Just because it somewhat looks like an established religious symbol or idol, does not mean it is. It may just be a stereotypical caricature, a Muppet hodgepodge, or simple parody in design to look like a real idol – but in fact may not be one. If we associate a real religious figure with a parody that includes human sacrifice, we may be inadvertently offending people and also misstating things. I think unless we know for sure that it was based on a real figure and we know for sure what it is we should do something like "Human Sacrificial Idol" or "Idol of Sacrifice" rather they incorrectly assign it the name of a somewhat similar looking real religious idol – especially if they are not used for human sacrifice. But that's just my view. – BradFraggle 05:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with you. I was thinking about this on the way to work this morning (yes, wiki has taken me over). We can speculate all we want, but I'm uncomfortable with calling it a Hindu Idol after not being able to find traditions that back up the actions of the character. So, if we're coming up with a placeholder name to use for the article, I'd rather it be more general. "Sacrificial Idol" seems most appropriate. -- Scott Scarecroe 14:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and created: Sacrificial Idol. -- Scott Scarecroe 17:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The Count's Brother

Did he have a name? -- Scott, Scarecroe 22:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. --Dean Onessimo, Deanmo19 5:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so; at least, not from that segment you used (but there was an episode where he had a sort of village reunion, but my memory's fuzzy on that one). -- MuppetDude 17:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm just going to call him The Count's Brother. -- Scott, Scarecroe 04:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Green Heap

A Koozebanian what?

I took this screenshot some time ago, and now I forget where it came from. I named it Koozebanian Creature, and you can see the Koozebanian landscape in the background. I also know this puppet was used for other sketches, but at least once it must have been for a Koozebanian Creature. Anyone know what it was called, or at least the sketch in which it featured? -- Scott Scarecroe 22:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I got this one. It's the Green Heap. According to our flawless wiki, it appeared in Episode 107, Episode 119, Episode 202 and Episode 311. -- Danny Toughpigs 22:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool. I'm going through some DVDs now to see if I can find it's short stint as a resident of Koozebane. -- Scott Scarecroe 23:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

It appeared in "Sex and Violence" along with Purple Heap. The screenshot is from the Anne Murray episode (the Trudge Trudge sketch). -- Jog 23:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

You amaze me. -- Scott Scarecroe 01:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

He also appears in the "You got a friend" Number in the Vincent Price Episode -- Ted Kermit2000

Rubber Band Men

Name That Puppet, part 2

They're seen in Episode 102: Garth Brooks. -- Scott Scarecroe 16:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

They're singers from The Rubber Band Men, the band that accompanied Lynda Carter on the Muppet Show. -- Jog 21:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Jog

To Jog: He already said that they came from Muppets Tonight. The Rubber Band Men look different. --Dark Frackle 01:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Jog just meant that they're the same puppets from the Lynda Carter episode. -- Scott Scarecroe 01:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

With these two sections in the current events page about not knowing the names of certain characters, would it be a good idea to start a page on characters we don't know the names of? I'm mainly reffering to recurring characters made from Whatnots or Anything Muppets who have made several appearances, had lines, but weren't mentioned by name, didn't have anything really distinctive about them, and whom we don't know any official names for. --Minor muppetz 12:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)