Yeah, sure. It's their official video, so it's not a bootleg or anything. It will probably be taken down in a few weeks, though. So best to keep an eye on it.
Yikes. I hadn't looked at that page in forever, so I'm glad you caught that, and annoyed that it's been there so long (since 2010 2010). I found the Street Gang pages which reproduce the Nixon letter to CTW, so I'm working on the page now (first slowly fixing links, while it's easier to search for his name).
Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here: "...although why the name was there, and whether it referred to Morrisett or his namesake father (an educator),"
No worries. It happens. Although, I haven't seen it happen myself in a long time. I'd begun to believe they'd built something in the software to avoid that sort of thing.
...Ok, after doing an online search, I get it, it stands for Search engine optimization, right? Still, it might have been better if you hadn't used an acronym. Not everyone is familiar with these terms. This begs the question though, why is the title of that other page "Is Ernie Dead?" instead of "Is Ernie from Sesame Street dead?"
Mostly because it's more obvious which Ernie is being referred to, as opposed to The Count (that and it's a lower-traffic topic anyway), but feel free to bring it up on the talk page (as Scott said, any such page renames, not based on an obvious "Hey, we misspelled the title" issue etc., should be discussed first). Mostly it's because the Ernie article is older, before we'd fully figured out how to best attract users.
And like I said, Fred, if you want to argue for a page move for the Ernie article or anything else, feel free to do so on the talk page. That was really the main issue.
Or actually, if you communicate with Danny, maybe tomorrow evening/afternoon (I'm on MST but should be home most of the day). The last session was pretty productive, technical problems aside (and maybe it will decide to like you this time). (I'll be leaving in a couple hours to perform Who's on First).
The original book. I have the anniversary collection, and it only has selections from "The Origins of Super Grover" (minus the intro with the crowd), nothing else.
I see that some of these have been added already, but I'll still bet the videos would be handy to the wiki and maybe to the YouTube channel. I'll add what I can on a few appearances that we haven't covered yet. Enjoy =)
Oh, nice! Yeah, it would be great to have these in individual clips for embedding purposes. I'll go through them and see what we can use. Thanks for pointing them out!
If it wasn't a Muppet appearance, then yeah, I suppose the closest thing would be connections. Do you want to go through an episode guide for the show and start a list?
Or if not that, I could just mention it on the Bob McGrath page. I only bring it up because I saw that you deleted a picture that said "Bob McGrath on To Tell the Truth (1966)", and I thought we could put it somewhere. I really like documenting Bob's pre-Sesame career, but I understand if it's beyond our scope.
Yeah, if you want to cover Bob's pre-Sesame career, there's lots of stuff you can dig up from Sing along with Mitch and his Japanese tours including his fandom as Bobu!
We could go ahead and undelete the image and park it on the talk page, which we've done before, or Bob McGrath's talk page. Then there's plenty of time to find where and how to integrate it. Normally I'd suggest Sesame Street Cast in Other Roles but that doesn't apply for appearances as one's self, normally. *However*, for Bob, since one would be on a game show (where the whole point was guessing who the real Bob was, so it was arguably a "role" in a way, that of game object) and the other would be if we find any pics of him on Mitch Miller (I think I have one of him, in glasses, in a Mitch Miller album's inside art photos or something) where the role was "featured/occasional soloist", I think it works to justify it in this case (and it's pre-Sesame in both cases). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 16:33, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I'm leaving a message explaining why some kinds of photo uploads aren't helpful, and you're deleting all my examples before I can link to them...............
Ugh. You know I was against video overuse from the start due to that. Is there a list of video pages we have so I can help you check and clean this up? (I do regret the recent Muppet promo stuff already being done; the Uncle Deadly interview had some cute stuff we should have transcribed, and I found a version on a personal user's channel, but it looks like it might be cut down).
As you know, I was resistant, too. As it turns out, the clean-up isn't that bad. Category:Videos helpfully shows a broken thumbnail is the link is dead. Right now the frustrating part is finding the page that it was embedded on because WhatLinksHere doesn't work on video pages right now. I've submitted a ticket and they know about it.
There are some other issues, but as is always the case when change hits, hopefully improvements are forthcoming while we do some bending over backwards to accommodate.
It also occurs to me (and I might not do it today, since I would like to do some fun Wiki-ing later as well) that it might be a good time to either revise the video policy or just remind folks on current events (since I know a lot of our users have joined since then, and I also see a lot of folks who upload videos almost right off the bat) that all YouTube videos have a limited shelf life (just how limited varies). Reminding them of both our existing commercial limits (Henrik and others have had to do some more deletions of that of late) but also that it's a question of whether the user's channel might be deleted as well (so if the clip itself seems harmless but the user has Spielberg movie clips or Buffy episodes en masse, well...) And also, as happened with the Caroll Spinney interviews, sometimes it's just digital media changing and they find a new way to host the material. I'll think about how to word it better later (and that official channels are definitely preferred, but even then, like the Disney promo stuff, can be temporal; in Disney's case to make room for their next big push and so on).
As for credited uploaders on videos, I think they all (or most of them) are listed as WikiaBot now. They fucked up royally a few weeks ago when they merged the Video: and Image: namespace.
Yeah, I noticed. Still, I'm noticing some obvious stuff to clean up (two "Green with Envy" trailers), but botching credited uploaders certainly isn't a plus (especially since with the current What Links issue, it would make it easier to narrow down by just checking that user's history, even if it meant going back aways).
I set up Muppet Wiki:Video log which you may find useful. It lists all videos uploaded to the wiki in descending order. Neither the category page nor the upload log let you see a list like this. Plus, you can see the full name so we can easily identify titles that may need to be cleaned up, and you can see the uploader.
For you, from Miss Piggy's Hollywood (which I'd started mining a few weeks back and never got back to). The big thrill for me was recognizing the Bullwinkle statue on the far right (it's neighbors have changed and when last heard of, it was on the land belonging to a dog grooming parlor which wouldn't let one get too close; a shame since it has cement elbow prints and signatures of Jay Ward, Paul Frees, June Foray and others, and a fake one of Walt Disney). But I figured you could use the Ghostbusters billboard, and possibly some other stuff there.
Oscarfan said that Max did not take screenshots. He lets me ask you for the episode number of Episode 3174 and the segment pictures that are not uploaded yet. I am glad to be patient. Like in Episode 0123, it takes time to make a full guide even if it takes the slowest time for the first volume.Please let me know if you uploaded the episode number and a new version of the scene pictures once the guide is fixed including the segments picture if it said no image available. Thanks! -- -- User:Phineasandferbning 23:21, 6 May 2012
Hey, I was looking through my image files to see what I haven't made pages for yet (still need to do John Hancock and the new classic Sesame guides) and was reminded of this. It was a call sheet for Great Muppet Caper, from an auction of GMC materials. It was too expensive alas, but I grabbed the image, since call sheets are really the best first hand evidence for who played what in which scenes (for the background and assistant puppeteers, uncredited bit players and dancers, etc.) Unfortunately this copy from the online aucition is nearly indecipherable, although I can make out the column, bottom row, second from left, of Muppets and the folks we expected (Henson, Oz, Hunt, Mullen) but clearly there's a slew of unbilled names here as well. There's probably nothing we can do with it, but I figured if anyone knew how to make this readable or get any info out of it, it would be you. If not, well, maybe there's another copy out there that we can get ahold of that we can actually afford.
That's a great find, is it still listed? Unfortunately the text is unreadable. It would be a great asset if we found one intact. What boggles my mind is that the person who knows of the existence of such a document freely being distributed doesn't think to share it with what is clearly a comprehensive source of information on the topic. Just stands to prove that greed doesn't go away with the prospect of freely sharing knowledge.
This was years ago, so not still listed. I worry in fact that it basically went to someone who wanted to own a "collectible" rather than the info (especially as it was part of a lot). I'll keep an eye out if it ever surfaces again though.
Aren't those amazing? On a related note, I would love to have a gallery of all of Amy Mebberson's Doctor Who/Muppet crossovers. I was collecting them at some point, but don't really have a place to put them. Curse you, fan art!
Honestly, I hadn't even thought of bringing it up as I don't want to set a precedent for fan art. But you do make a good point, and I suppose we could keep it under control so long as we're clear on the ground rules. Primarly that, as a legit artist who has officially had work published for Muppet projects, we're allowed to cover art they've published online... sort of like a trivia section. I'd be comfortable with that.
Another rule I would want to make clear is that we don't count fan art as references, obviously. There was a great Sesame/Last Supper spoof going around awhile ago done by someone who'd worked for Sesame professionally, but this was clearly just done for fun. I wouldn't want to cover that on the da Vinci page.
Yeah, I agree with both of those points. I think it's kind of like if we discovered some new art by Joe Mathieu or Michael Frith -- they're legit people, and there's a legitimate interest in their unpublished work.
I agree we shouldn't just post every bit of fan art we can find -- there's tons of it, and some of it is exceptional, but where do you stop? Maybe the threshold is an ongoing body of officially licensed work.
And we actually have a precedent for that, which I'd thought of bringing up the other day but forgot: Daryl Cagle. We have a gallery on his page of his political cartoons parodying the Mupps, since he was an actual Muppet illustrator. It's kept distinct from his official illustration credits, but it's nice artwork and shows a continued connection (since while not fan art, political cartoonists these days do typically choose what to draw and cover, so in both cases it displays a passion for Muppets beyond when they're actually hired to do so, and even moreso for Mebberson). We could probably even reword that as a sort of policy if we felt we had to explain it (and that yes, it works better when they have had a relationship with Muppet/Sesame for multiple years or a significant body, as opposed to say someone who illustrated one Elmo book and then did 5,000 fan pics of Telly Monster as a vampire).
I just saw! I'm not sure it's a Captain Marvel reference though. The suit seems pretty generic. And did he speak in a booming voice like that on the show? I didn't think he ever spoke, but I guess my memories are pretty faulty. Still, like with Iron Man, shouldn't it be merged with DC Comics?
I figured two references and the Henson quote counted (that's our general rule), which is more than we had with Iron Man. And it's definitely a reference, the voice thing referencing the enhanced boom whenever he uttered the magic word, and the red and gold and the ornate neck trimmings (which can be seen a little more clearly here; they elaborated o nit though, and in one shot, the cape is shown to be gold on one side and white on the other, again pairing the Marvel color scheme).
I'm sure you're right. It just wasn't immediatley apparent to me. And yeah, the Henson quote is what really puts it over the top. For Iron Man, it was just the Grover thing. Shazam!!
Yeah, it's not the most obvious, I watched the whole skit and the "Captain" combined with the colors and the fact that no other hero at the time really had elaborate neck stuff (and Luis' haircut actually, as you can tell from the pic, matches). My own guess is that it probably first aired while Shazam was still on the air, since the whole thing feels more like they're spoofing the TV show (and Filmation's live-action projects always had a sort of sub-Sid and Marty Krofft feel, although Shazam! was arguably their best. The less said about "The Kid Super Power Hour" with a live action superhero rock band, the better).
Although I just checked a Farscape site and it seems Crichton has also mimicked Gomer Pyle saying "Sur-prise, surprise, surprise," so I don't know if that rules that one out. Since we've acknowledged both on the page though, I think it works (and how silly of me to forget we had Gomer himself here).
Someone is selling off old stock from the Golden Books/Western Publishing Archive -- the Ebay ID is Goldentreasures-nyc. I just found that today, so I'm currently adding lots of new coloring book info. Turns out they sold a copy of The Grover Sticker Book last week, and that led me to another auction from February that posted all these scans. So it might be worthwhile keeping your eye on that Goldentreasures-nyc account -- who knows what else might turn up. :)
Yeah, the Golden Books archive seller is amazing. I got a copy of one of the More Who's Who from them, and it arrived in absolute mint condition. For a thirty-year-old coloring book, that's a rare event. :) The prices are super reasonable too...
Wonderful stuff from the calendar! I'm going to bed, but could you save John Hancock for me? (I've been meaning to make a page for him anyway; The Sesame Street Dictionary has a Twiddlebug as him!)
I had an extra copy from the F&Wagnalls' multi-volume reprints, Mom unbound it for better scanning, and I managed to get rid of the punch dots. (Since I'm not a photo wizard like you, and don't even have decent scanner editing software since my HP scanner disc was too scratched for the new machine to install the programs [just hardware], I'm mildly proud!)
I didn't see one of the voice actors you mentioned. Are you sure there is a second dubbed versio. I can read Japanese and I didn't see Natsuki's name on there.
I am an editor at a nonprofit magazine covering nature and culture in the American West, High Country News. We will be running an essay on our website in about a month, and it discusses the Muppett Movie and the casino in particular. The author was hoping we could get an image of the casino, and he pointed me to this photo on Wikia. Usually we use Flickr Creative Commons photos, but it was unclear to me if this photo is actually Creative Commons licensed to republish, so I wanted to check in with you and see what the availability of the image was. Here is the link to the image: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/File:Muppets_casino.jpg
Thanks so much for your time. You can e-mail me at stephanieo@hcn.org if you like.
