Hello, Merrystar. If it's okay with you, could I have sysop rights at the Mirror's Edge Wiki? I'm trying to clean up things there and I need sysop rights to do certain things (rename files, delete pages, edit MediaWiki pages, etc.) and the admins there haven't been active for months.
PS: I didn't fill out an adoption form at Community Central because I need sysop rights ASAP and you're the only Wikia staff member I saw online.
Sorry for this very off-topic-to-the-wiki message as well.
Hi. Firstly, please contact me on central for things like this, not Muppet Wikia. I answer both walls.
Secondly, I'm sorry but we cannot give out the rights without an adoption request.
If the wikia is in urgent need of cleanup from vandalism you can request help from the Volunteer Spam Task Force. If there is some other issue that requires the rights sooner than the week a request typically takes then please message me about it on my wall on central (and make the request while you are at it).
Thanks for letting me know that they were working on fixing the stuff I was telling you about. I felt weird not posting to you. Check out Songs From Iftah Ya Simsim! I think it's our first Arabic-language record. The problem is that if you look at the pictures, the title is in English, but everything else isn't. Do you know anybody at Wikia who can translate Arabic? I would love to know what songs are on here!
Neat! Unfortunately I don't know anybody who can translate it :( . However, do you know about the Wikia Language Brigade? They have some users (I hope that link works) that speak Arabic. Perhaps you should make a request to have the songlist translated?
I'm glad they were able to fix the monobook stuff quickly -- that was totally nuts. Fwiw, you can usually get around the problems like that by switching to wikia's default skin; at least for long enough to leave a wall message :).
Thanks! I'll look into that. I think I need Scott or somebody to flip one of those pictures, too, because I see some English, but it's backwards. Paul scanned the pictures really big, so if you click on them, you can read everything. I also thought it was funny that the record label says "Made in France"-in English!
This is weird! I ran across an Australian CBS reissue here that has Rubber Duckie on one side, and a novelty song from the early 1970's called Dead Skunk on the other. We never got this pairing in the US, since all of our Columbia reissues kept the Sesame Street Theme on the B-side. Anyway, if you're interested in hearing the other song, it's all over YouTube, but be warned it's the kind of 10-year-old boy gross-out humor that Dr. Demento used to play. But it was a pretty famous hit around 1973! So I made a place for it on International Sesame Street Singles, and if you can grab it, can you see if you can make the label point straight up and down? Thanks!
This one was released in 1981, but the label shows the copyright date of the original recording for each side. I found a few others on eBay, and for some reason they put both songs on one label, and the other side is just the company logo. I also found a sleeve with the first 12 pairings listed on it, and the date for that set of releases is 1981.
The hits just keep on coming! I just found a 45 that looks like it was part of a 45 set of the Signs! album! It's another JCP single with an album number that looks like a phone number. These have really been fascinating to me, because they were never listed on the backs of the LP's, and I don't remember seeing them in stores. I still have a hunch they were some kind of mail-order thing, because the My First Collections in the big cardboard boxes have the same numbering series. Anyway, I'm making a place for it. Can you grab it? It's here. Thanks!
P.S. I just noticed that this means that all 3 LP's of the Letters, Numbers and Signs boxed set were all released as 45 sets around 1979-1980. I wonder what else is out there?
Awesome! I wonder if it's on CD. It says 1995. Was he doing anything else around then? It looks like he was trying to break into Bob's market. We should make a page for Sesame Street actors who have released side recordings under their real names, because right now they're all over the place. Bob's got his huge page, but Susan (Loretta) has 1 LP in the SS discography and an adult 45 on her page, David (Northern) has 1 adult 45 on his page, and now Gordon (Roscoe) has an album. I guess for now we should put it on his page.
And this Summit auction shows the back of the album with a complete listing of what they released in case you didn't already have it. It's a trifle blurry but probably could be deciphered.... And we didn't have that cover before :)
Yeah, but his kids' LP's go back to 1983. I'm pretty sure they were available here, even though it looks like they were pressed in Canada. The Camping in Canada album, on the other hand, was only available in Canada when it was new.
I've been thinking of what to call a page for non-Sesame records. I'm guessing it would be the counterpart of Sesame Street Cast in Other Roles? So, Non-Sesame (or Other) Recordings by Sesame Street Actors? We're not including things like the Broadway cast album Northern did, but we are including the adult 45's mentioned earlier. The bulk of this would be all of the kid stuff that we've found. I'll think about it some more.
All of those are on my Axis/Summit list. There seem to be only 27 Summits-8001 to 8026 and 9001, which is Sesame Disco, so they seem to have stopped in 1979. There are also 28 Axises (Axes?), and only 24 titles came out twice, so that means there are 4 titles only on Axis, and 3 titles only on Summit. Thanks for the cover; I didn't know we needed it!
Nice new Bob CD! It's tracks taken from 2 of his other albums, plus you get karaoke versions with it. And I think it's his first album that comes as a download!
Hey, guess what? I keep forgetting to look for a stock copy (red label) of Bob's first Columbia 45. So when I went to www.45cat.com, I ran across the New Zealand version of the Affinity 45! I wonder if they made an LP, too? They were the same company that released Susan's Scepter stuff.
I had an answer all typed out, and then I remembered something, which made me rewrite the whole thing. Remember that person's Flickr file that we found all of the Axis and Summit stuff on? Well, they have an Australian copy of the CTW SS1, but it's not on Axis. It's got the exact US front cover, and on the back, it has a 1st edition list of LP titles. I can tell because the catalog numbers don't have CTW in front of the numbers, and they have the 4 "phantom titles" listed. (There were 4 LP numbers that were never made, and they were pulled off of the next pressing of the 1974 series, and they added CTW in front of the catalog numbers.) The reason I'm mentioning all this is that the back cover also says, "Distributed by Avan-Guard Music", with a logo and an address. The picture is here. So that means this is the real 1st edition of SS1, which used the US catalog numbers and covers (with a distributor logo on the back cover), and then came Axis, and then Summit. So I don't know if we want to document these, because the LP front covers will look exactly the same, but we could still say that it's an Australian issue. I never mentioned it before, because I didn't know what to do with it. But now that you found a tape, it makes more sense.
Hey Merrystar. I know this isn't on the right wiki but is it okay if I can be promoted to an admin on my user page on the Midnight Club Wiki ? I currently have the most badges and contributions on the wiki and since everyone else is not available, I have created numerous pages and added hundreds of images to pages. I think I will serve as an excellent admin for the site, much like I am on my other common wikis (listed on "my favorite wikis" section). Also, is there a way I can edit the Navboxes on that wiki? A lot of the links are incorrect and they need fixing really badly. Thanks for taking your time to read this!
You can edit the navboxes like regular articles, although you probably will need to use the source mode editor. They aren't protected. You can see all of the navboxes here -- click on the one you want to update and then click to edit it.
And yes, next time please use my wall on central for non-Muppet messages.
Hi! I see you found a lot of stuff. Could you mention it on my wall when you find stuff? Sometimes I don't see it right away, and something cool happened. When I saw your stuff, I went to eBay to see if I could see the back cover of the Australian SS1, and that led me to a whole new set of Australian CD reissues that came out last year that I never knew about before! I tried to go to Amazon.com.au, but they don't sell CD's for some reason! So I found the shop for ABC (their Australian Broadcasting Network), and there are a whole bunch of CD's that look like Koch version covers of Sony Wonder stuff, that we never got on Koch here! If that's confusing, the page is here so you can look at it for fun. And here I was stuck with nothing to do until the movie soundtrack comes out!
By the way, here's one of them, so I can start figuring out catalog numbers! It's funny how other countries are still making SS CD's, while we've given up and put everything on downloads, which I'm not crazy about. I know they're convenient, but it's not the same.
Hey Ken -- I'm sorry! I do generally tell you if I find anything I think is interesting... but I can let you know about the rest also :). In this case, however, I was mostly posting a bunch of stuff I've found over the past few weeks (months?) and not had time to deal with previously. I'm not even sure when I found that ss1 summit edition. I almost always run google searches for summit/axis when I have a chance.
And the rest were my attempts to make the sheet music singles page not look quite so forlorn. I'm not at all convinced about that page as it happens; tracking sheet music seems unduly difficult and unrewarding. However, while looking those up I did run across something I thought was neat: this early 90s "Bein' Green" sing-a-song storybook. There's also one for "Sing".
Are there no more cds in the US? I bought some a few years back for my kids but haven't looked since.
Well, I haven't really been keeping up with sheet music, but I want to do that in the future. I know that some covers might be boring, but I see that there were some original medleys of Sesame songs that I'd love to find, so I can see what songs are in them, and maybe even write up something about the people that arranged them. I'm not exactly sure where I want to go with the sheet music yet, but I know we have a few of the Sesame books that match the early LP's, with those weird covers. I'll have to think about it some more.
And yeah, the last new CD's were Old School Vol. 2 in 2010. After that, except for the CD of A Special Sesame Street Christmas, which was a very odd thing to release (but that was by the Bob Banner people), they've made a bunch of download-only compilations, and apparently no new titles. I'm surprised they haven't at least tried to make some downloads of more recent music. I'm not really up on the post-1990 songs, but I should figure out sometime where they stopped chronologically. I wonder if Muppets Most Wanted does well, if the rumored new Sesame Street movie will get moving again.
Ah. New CDs. That makes sense. I'm happy the music is at least available in some format. Although I have to say that my kids' absolute favorite is Bert & Ernie Sing-Along anyhow.
I'm not sure about those sheet music medleys; I couldn't find any evidence of them on google. I'm ok with doing something sensible with it ... I just think the current page is sort of sad, even with the pictures I added.
Wow, thanks! I didn't know there were going to be 22 of them! Now I need to make a numerical list to put with my other lists. I ran a couple of numbers through Worldcat, and it looks like they used the regular Universal Australia numbering series, so there may be a lot of gaps. I'll also have to see if these are the same as a previous series on EMI Australia. What's interesting is that EMI was bought by Universal last year, so I'm wondering if these were made just to reflect the new ownership information. Either way, I'm glad they kept them in print!
That's right, I think there are some brand new ones, too. At least now we're on top of it. I'm curious if they're going to make all of them! I wonder why they're keeping the "Sony Wonder" titles in print down there, but US downloads are going all the way back to the entire US LP run from 1974-1984 (including the original "Big 6"), and then Sony Wonders are there, too. I've never sat down and gone through what's on downloads, but there's a ton of them now. I think they skipped the Golden and Sight & Sound years because they're mostly reissues, although Golden has 4 tapes that were never on LP or CD. I think the one CD on S&S is a compilation, so the songs are in a bunch of other places.
Thanks for the tape! I counted between 25 and 30 Sony Wonder titles, depending on whether you count Elmo in Grouchland and the Christmas titles. So I think they're going to make it! As far as availability, I think that website is like ordering it from the record company, since ABC Music is part of the ABC network. So once they don't have them in stock, they will still be available through all of the regular online and physical stores for years to come. Now with things like eBay and Amazon, I still see things all the way back to 1970. Oh yeah, have you heard that Disney is going to put The Muppet Movie back on LP for this year's Record Store Day in April? I don't need it, but it's fun to read about!
Ooh. Muppet Movie! I have no way to play LPs ... but that soundtrack was always my favorite; I was so happy when it came back out on CD and I could finally afford to replace my (much loved and well-used) cassette.
I found 7 records, and I'm writing up what's on them, but it would be even better to be able to write up the magazine content to match, like the very first one is. One of our members was working on that, but she hasn't been around in a while. Meanwhile I'm trying to find back issues, or at least figure out if we've got all of the covers. One of the reasons that these records intrigue me is that they overlap with the book and record sets (and after 1983, book and tape sets), and it seems like Fran Brill and Caroll Spinney were the most available to do these, since a lot of other people were working on Fraggle Rock and other Muppet stuff during this period. I think the Big Bird Story Magic tapes were during this period, too!
Hey, I thought you might like to see how the Gordon book and record sets were sold. There's a sealed one on eBay here, and it looks like they shrink-wrapped the record in the picture sleeve to the back cover of the paperback book. Unfortunately, it was already sold when I saw it, but I thought it was cool to actually see a sealed copy!
I hope we find some rare items this year, and also unravel some of the mysteries that we've been stumped on since the beginning of the wiki. And as always, thanks for all of your help!
That's pretty efficient packaging actually. I like it :) My fun find yesterday was this. A croatian (serbian?) language muppet babies sticker book. I ran out of time to post it. I still cannot believe there is so much to find after 8 years
I am holding out for finally uncovering a picture of the True Blue Miracle single :).
And thank you for all your work sorting through the details of the record releases; I remember when we first started the discography page and it was so... simple :)
Wow, that's neat! Do we know if they got Muppet Babies in their country? I still can't figure out what seem to be releases of early Sesame records in countries that weren't showing the show. I guess they were just marketed as stand-alone educational records.
Yeah, we're missing Disco Frog, too. The weird thing is the other 5 disco 45's are on eBay all the time, except that one. Maybe, even though it was the second to last one numerically, they pressed less quantities of that one, as the label was getting ready to stop making 45's. I still don't know why they stopped making them, and yet kept making LP's for 4 more years, and then, on top of that, they just started the small book and record sets out of nowhere in 1981, when Disney had been making similar ones since 1965! I've always thought Sesame 7" book and record sets would have been a natural since the beginning of the show, but for some reason they waited for 11 years. Can you imagine what a record of The Monster at the End of This Book with Frank Oz would have been like?
Anyway, on True Blue Miracle, that was only in print for one Christmas, so that might be why it's so rare. But I'm still hoping to find it too!
I'm pretty sure a record of "The Monster at the End of this book" with Frank Oz would be something I'd want....
And I have no idea if they had muppet babies in their country... except why else have a sticker book with a customized name for them? The seller says it was published in "ex Yugoslavia", they are located in Serbia and the language google chooses when I type in some of the text from the book is croatian. I'm not 100% sure what the market actually was :p
Hi Wendy! Can you tell me about the share icons you added to MediaWiki:Wikia.js? You wrote that they were for SEO, but I don't understand the connection. I haven't seen those on any other wiki -- are they new?
Hi Danny. Yes they are new. There's a blog here. What we were told was that google is giving a lot of weight to google+ shares in their search results index at the moment. I have no idea if that's true or not, but it sounds about as reasonable as anything else I've heard about SEO over the years.
Rappy made some code to give them color if we want to make them "prettier" and there's a light grey color option as well -- I just enabled the default.
And if we find we don't like them after all they are easy to remove :)
I do like the idea of encouraging shares. I don't know if it'll help SEO, but it's a good thing to encourage.
Unfortunately, the new share icons create extra space between the page title and edit button, and the start of the article text. When we did the original Oasis reskin, edits went down quite a bit. We did a lot of A/B testing to figure out why, and it turned out to be the extra space between the edit button and the text.
It's hard to get people to really understand the connection between the edit button and the text. I think having the space in Oasis made people think that the button was there to edit the article title, not the text of the article.
Have you guys added any event-tracking so you could see how the new icons are performing? I'd be curious to know how many clicks they're getting, and if we see any difference in the clicks on the edit button.
Yeah. Unfortunately I have no idea if they are doing event tracking on them. I would hope so, but given that it's just an optional js import, I'm not sure.
It's funny -- I have quick-delete buttons on the edit line that I add with js anyhow, and they tend to wrap around to a second line on longer page names, so I don't even notice the space.
There is an option to put the buttons at the bottom of each page. It's enabled that way on Aion Wiki (eg. here). To me those look very clunky -- I'm used to the share buttons being small and tucked in a corner.
It's not just about shares going up, although frankly I don't see how they couldn't given how hidden the older share menu is, and how much more likely somebody is to just click a button that is right there without thinking too much. But it's also about enabling google+ shares, which are not possible at all with the old system.
When you make a noticeable product change like that, you have to look at the whole picture. If those icons bring 50 more Google+ shares, but the placement of the icons makes edits go down by 10%, then it's not worth it.
Adding more stuff to the page isn't always the correct answer. Maybe you guys could talk to Trevor; he'll be able to help you figure out how to evaluate the feature's success before you encourage people to add new buttons on every page.
Danny, evaluating the success of a feature is not part of community support's job. I have asked and was told that Mark did enable click tracking, so you are welcome to contact him about that. I'm not sure Trevor really was involved much with this feature, but you could ask him instead if you prefer.
In terms of the wiki here, I sent around the email before enabling the icons precisely to see if anybody had any objections; nobody seemed to have any opinion one way or the other. I have no strong attachment to them, beyond feeling that they are an improvement over the existing share menu, so if you want to leave them off, then that's fine with me.
I'm sorry; I think we crossed wires on this. Scott told me that you'd sent an email, but my email address has changed. I'll send you an email with my new address. Sorry for coming at this in a weird way.