Hi! I see you found a lot of stuff. Could you mention it on my wall when you find stuff? Sometimes I don't see it right away, and something cool happened. When I saw your stuff, I went to eBay to see if I could see the back cover of the Australian SS1, and that led me to a whole new set of Australian CD reissues that came out last year that I never knew about before! I tried to go to Amazon.com.au, but they don't sell CD's for some reason! So I found the shop for ABC (their Australian Broadcasting Network), and there are a whole bunch of CD's that look like Koch version covers of Sony Wonder stuff, that we never got on Koch here! If that's confusing, the page is here so you can look at it for fun. And here I was stuck with nothing to do until the movie soundtrack comes out!
By the way, here's one of them, so I can start figuring out catalog numbers! It's funny how other countries are still making SS CD's, while we've given up and put everything on downloads, which I'm not crazy about. I know they're convenient, but it's not the same.
Hey Ken -- I'm sorry! I do generally tell you if I find anything I think is interesting... but I can let you know about the rest also :). In this case, however, I was mostly posting a bunch of stuff I've found over the past few weeks (months?) and not had time to deal with previously. I'm not even sure when I found that ss1 summit edition. I almost always run google searches for summit/axis when I have a chance.
And the rest were my attempts to make the sheet music singles page not look quite so forlorn. I'm not at all convinced about that page as it happens; tracking sheet music seems unduly difficult and unrewarding. However, while looking those up I did run across something I thought was neat: this early 90s "Bein' Green" sing-a-song storybook. There's also one for "Sing".
Are there no more cds in the US? I bought some a few years back for my kids but haven't looked since.
Well, I haven't really been keeping up with sheet music, but I want to do that in the future. I know that some covers might be boring, but I see that there were some original medleys of Sesame songs that I'd love to find, so I can see what songs are in them, and maybe even write up something about the people that arranged them. I'm not exactly sure where I want to go with the sheet music yet, but I know we have a few of the Sesame books that match the early LP's, with those weird covers. I'll have to think about it some more.
And yeah, the last new CD's were Old School Vol. 2 in 2010. After that, except for the CD of A Special Sesame Street Christmas, which was a very odd thing to release (but that was by the Bob Banner people), they've made a bunch of download-only compilations, and apparently no new titles. I'm surprised they haven't at least tried to make some downloads of more recent music. I'm not really up on the post-1990 songs, but I should figure out sometime where they stopped chronologically. I wonder if Muppets Most Wanted does well, if the rumored new Sesame Street movie will get moving again.
Ah. New CDs. That makes sense. I'm happy the music is at least available in some format. Although I have to say that my kids' absolute favorite is Bert & Ernie Sing-Along anyhow.
I'm not sure about those sheet music medleys; I couldn't find any evidence of them on google. I'm ok with doing something sensible with it ... I just think the current page is sort of sad, even with the pictures I added.
Wow, thanks! I didn't know there were going to be 22 of them! Now I need to make a numerical list to put with my other lists. I ran a couple of numbers through Worldcat, and it looks like they used the regular Universal Australia numbering series, so there may be a lot of gaps. I'll also have to see if these are the same as a previous series on EMI Australia. What's interesting is that EMI was bought by Universal last year, so I'm wondering if these were made just to reflect the new ownership information. Either way, I'm glad they kept them in print!
That's right, I think there are some brand new ones, too. At least now we're on top of it. I'm curious if they're going to make all of them! I wonder why they're keeping the "Sony Wonder" titles in print down there, but US downloads are going all the way back to the entire US LP run from 1974-1984 (including the original "Big 6"), and then Sony Wonders are there, too. I've never sat down and gone through what's on downloads, but there's a ton of them now. I think they skipped the Golden and Sight & Sound years because they're mostly reissues, although Golden has 4 tapes that were never on LP or CD. I think the one CD on S&S is a compilation, so the songs are in a bunch of other places.
Thanks for the tape! I counted between 25 and 30 Sony Wonder titles, depending on whether you count Elmo in Grouchland and the Christmas titles. So I think they're going to make it! As far as availability, I think that website is like ordering it from the record company, since ABC Music is part of the ABC network. So once they don't have them in stock, they will still be available through all of the regular online and physical stores for years to come. Now with things like eBay and Amazon, I still see things all the way back to 1970. Oh yeah, have you heard that Disney is going to put The Muppet Movie back on LP for this year's Record Store Day in April? I don't need it, but it's fun to read about!
Ooh. Muppet Movie! I have no way to play LPs ... but that soundtrack was always my favorite; I was so happy when it came back out on CD and I could finally afford to replace my (much loved and well-used) cassette.
I found 7 records, and I'm writing up what's on them, but it would be even better to be able to write up the magazine content to match, like the very first one is. One of our members was working on that, but she hasn't been around in a while. Meanwhile I'm trying to find back issues, or at least figure out if we've got all of the covers. One of the reasons that these records intrigue me is that they overlap with the book and record sets (and after 1983, book and tape sets), and it seems like Fran Brill and Caroll Spinney were the most available to do these, since a lot of other people were working on Fraggle Rock and other Muppet stuff during this period. I think the Big Bird Story Magic tapes were during this period, too!
Hey, I thought you might like to see how the Gordon book and record sets were sold. There's a sealed one on eBay here, and it looks like they shrink-wrapped the record in the picture sleeve to the back cover of the paperback book. Unfortunately, it was already sold when I saw it, but I thought it was cool to actually see a sealed copy!
I hope we find some rare items this year, and also unravel some of the mysteries that we've been stumped on since the beginning of the wiki. And as always, thanks for all of your help!
That's pretty efficient packaging actually. I like it :) My fun find yesterday was this. A croatian (serbian?) language muppet babies sticker book. I ran out of time to post it. I still cannot believe there is so much to find after 8 years
I am holding out for finally uncovering a picture of the True Blue Miracle single :).
And thank you for all your work sorting through the details of the record releases; I remember when we first started the discography page and it was so... simple :)
Wow, that's neat! Do we know if they got Muppet Babies in their country? I still can't figure out what seem to be releases of early Sesame records in countries that weren't showing the show. I guess they were just marketed as stand-alone educational records.
Yeah, we're missing Disco Frog, too. The weird thing is the other 5 disco 45's are on eBay all the time, except that one. Maybe, even though it was the second to last one numerically, they pressed less quantities of that one, as the label was getting ready to stop making 45's. I still don't know why they stopped making them, and yet kept making LP's for 4 more years, and then, on top of that, they just started the small book and record sets out of nowhere in 1981, when Disney had been making similar ones since 1965! I've always thought Sesame 7" book and record sets would have been a natural since the beginning of the show, but for some reason they waited for 11 years. Can you imagine what a record of The Monster at the End of This Book with Frank Oz would have been like?
Anyway, on True Blue Miracle, that was only in print for one Christmas, so that might be why it's so rare. But I'm still hoping to find it too!
I'm pretty sure a record of "The Monster at the End of this book" with Frank Oz would be something I'd want....
And I have no idea if they had muppet babies in their country... except why else have a sticker book with a customized name for them? The seller says it was published in "ex Yugoslavia", they are located in Serbia and the language google chooses when I type in some of the text from the book is croatian. I'm not 100% sure what the market actually was :p
Hi Wendy! Can you tell me about the share icons you added to MediaWiki:Wikia.js? You wrote that they were for SEO, but I don't understand the connection. I haven't seen those on any other wiki -- are they new?
Hi Danny. Yes they are new. There's a blog here. What we were told was that google is giving a lot of weight to google+ shares in their search results index at the moment. I have no idea if that's true or not, but it sounds about as reasonable as anything else I've heard about SEO over the years.
Rappy made some code to give them color if we want to make them "prettier" and there's a light grey color option as well -- I just enabled the default.
And if we find we don't like them after all they are easy to remove :)
I do like the idea of encouraging shares. I don't know if it'll help SEO, but it's a good thing to encourage.
Unfortunately, the new share icons create extra space between the page title and edit button, and the start of the article text. When we did the original Oasis reskin, edits went down quite a bit. We did a lot of A/B testing to figure out why, and it turned out to be the extra space between the edit button and the text.
It's hard to get people to really understand the connection between the edit button and the text. I think having the space in Oasis made people think that the button was there to edit the article title, not the text of the article.
Have you guys added any event-tracking so you could see how the new icons are performing? I'd be curious to know how many clicks they're getting, and if we see any difference in the clicks on the edit button.
Yeah. Unfortunately I have no idea if they are doing event tracking on them. I would hope so, but given that it's just an optional js import, I'm not sure.
It's funny -- I have quick-delete buttons on the edit line that I add with js anyhow, and they tend to wrap around to a second line on longer page names, so I don't even notice the space.
There is an option to put the buttons at the bottom of each page. It's enabled that way on Aion Wiki (eg. here). To me those look very clunky -- I'm used to the share buttons being small and tucked in a corner.
It's not just about shares going up, although frankly I don't see how they couldn't given how hidden the older share menu is, and how much more likely somebody is to just click a button that is right there without thinking too much. But it's also about enabling google+ shares, which are not possible at all with the old system.
When you make a noticeable product change like that, you have to look at the whole picture. If those icons bring 50 more Google+ shares, but the placement of the icons makes edits go down by 10%, then it's not worth it.
Adding more stuff to the page isn't always the correct answer. Maybe you guys could talk to Trevor; he'll be able to help you figure out how to evaluate the feature's success before you encourage people to add new buttons on every page.
Danny, evaluating the success of a feature is not part of community support's job. I have asked and was told that Mark did enable click tracking, so you are welcome to contact him about that. I'm not sure Trevor really was involved much with this feature, but you could ask him instead if you prefer.
In terms of the wiki here, I sent around the email before enabling the icons precisely to see if anybody had any objections; nobody seemed to have any opinion one way or the other. I have no strong attachment to them, beyond feeling that they are an improvement over the existing share menu, so if you want to leave them off, then that's fine with me.
I'm sorry; I think we crossed wires on this. Scott told me that you'd sent an email, but my email address has changed. I'll send you an email with my new address. Sorry for coming at this in a weird way.
Well, after 6 years, I'm finally going to attempt to upload images. Can you help me with it when you have a chance? No rush, but I'm just letting you know that I'll be finally putting up a ton of 45's. Talk to you soon!
Save the images somewhere on your computer. Give them some sort of sane names.
You may want some image software on your computer so you can edit them -- I like the Gimp myself. And then edit them to look how you want them to look.
Then go to the page where you want to add the image. Click to edit and click the little image icon. Click to "browse" the files on your computer and choose your image. On the preview screen you can set it to be 300px wide (our standard) or leave it as-is for a gallery. Then click to add the picture to the image. And it will insert the wikicode (or the image in visual mode)...
If you are adding it to a gallery you will want to edit the code to match the other ones on the page, and then publish.
If you need to do a lot of files at once you can use Special:MultipleUpload, but then you have to go insert the files on the page using either their names or the photo tool when you are done.
If you want to replace a photo you can either just swap it out, or, preferably, go to the file page and click "Upload a new version of this file" and do it there so we don't a) lose the history and b) have to go around deleting unused files.
Those, and a whole lot more. I eventually want to clean up all of the 45's, so that we have the best possible pictures. It's a big project, but I'm kind of at a standstill as far as adding new information, so I want to take a look at record pictures, or at least the ones that will fit on a scanner!
Hey, I had a question to ask you, and I keep forgetting. Do you think it would be overkill to have pictures of the different ways they packaged the Golden tapes? If you look around eBay, you'll see that they either put them in a big box, and you can see the tape at the bottom, or they came in a regular sealed cassette case. I've seen a bunch of them both ways, and I don't know if they were released simultaneously, depending on what kind of shelving a store had, or if one was a later pressing than the other. It's kind of like the big and little booklet variations on the Sony Wonder stuff. Anyway, I was wondering what you thought.
And while I was looking at examples, I ran across a few things. The original tape of Gold! here, and the Australian tape of Born to Add here! I don't know if that's a bad angle, but I wanted to show it to you, since it's cool that they also show other albums that are available.
I think the big box packaging is interesting for the additional artwork, but have assumed the plain cassette packaging was not needed in addition, as it looks the same as the cassette visible at the bottom of the box... Did I miss something? If we could get a handle on what the variations mean it might be more interesting, but as-is I think there isn't a lot of need for both.
Yes, the Born to Add tape is a horrible angle. I'll have to leave it as-is. The Gold tape looks so odd with the blue label rather than normal track info!
I think that's some kind of insert inside the packaging, so people would know that it was a tape of a full-length LP, instead of a 7" book and record set, which might have come in similar packaging. I remember The Story of Star Wars was on tape with a 7"x7" booklet, but it contained the full LP, which had a 12"x12" booklet. Anyway, I'm sure the backing would eventually get lost, so even if all of the song titles were on the back, they would be on the tape label, too.
I'll have to go through the Golden tapes, and see what we have. I would prefer to have them consistent, and then maybe put a variation on the Golden Music page, so people can see both.
Yup! I can't wait to hear it, even though I already have it twice, plus reissues of tracks from it on various formats. The weird thing is that it doesn't come with the 5 picture sleeves that we've found before, that would go to this. So this might be either a later pressing, or a previous owner didn't keep the picture sleeves. I'm guessing this one never had them, since everything else seems to be intact, like the color wheel for Just Three Colors and the map for The Magic Cookie. Can you get any good pictures from it, at least the cover? I wasn't sure about the angle, but at least it's a big picture to work with!
P.S. I think some of the sides have been reversed all this time. It'll be nice to finally fix that!
It looks like I was right on the track listings, except for one label error that I noted on the page. The funny thing is that the box is actually called, "Havin' Fun with Ernie & Bert's Carry About", so I made that change, too!
Hi! Here we go again with a variation I've never heard of before. I give you Canadian versions of some of the first series of Columbia CC 45's here. The funny thing is that they're both orange, which was not only Canada's regular Columbia label color at the time (ours was red), but I guess they didn't bother doing the multi-colored labels for this series like we did. I've still never seen Canadian books and records for the CC series, but now that we know they have the same number, maybe I've been passing them by, since they would look the same on the cover. Anyway, I hope that means they did the first 9, and maybe even more!
One thing that I'm surprised we haven't seen yet is Pickwick editions of the CTW 99000 series of the 45's. Maybe I've been skipping over the picture sleeves that we already have while I'm searching for the last 2. But then again, I haven't run across any when I see one without a sleeve, so maybe they didn't press them right away. I've seen a bunch of the Pickwick variation LP's, though. It's depressing to think that we're only able to document the records by running across copies of what's survived since 1970. I know I broke a few records when I was little, and I shudder to think how many other people did, too!
Hey Ken -- sorry for the long silence. Life has been a bit crazy :).
I broke records too as a child and we lost even more with a flooded basement. It is frustrating.... although it seems like sometimes we can find the information in other places. I am still amazed by what is on the worldcat for example.
And yes, (drat those last two), I never really study the picture sleeves in detail on those any more. Actually, would the sleeves be any different? Or would it just be the fine print on the back and/or the labels?
The sleeves have both US and Canada distributor information, but I've never seen 45's that say Pickwick on the label like the LP's do, except for the few promos we've found. I guess for some reason, they didn't think it was necessary to put it in both places.
Sometimes Worldcat frustrates me, though, because the item's page will tell you that a library has a certain item, but it won't be there when you go to the library's website. Sometimes I have to go all the way in, to see a track listing, catalog number, or copyright date. So if a library discards an item, I wish it would drop off of Worldcat.