Hey, I've been meaning to ask this for a while. On the Image Chamber, what does "Linked to from Other Pages" mean? Shouldn't we take those off of the page, since they have real homes? I also noticed some record pictures that already have homes, so I was going to take them down, too. That's okay, right?
It means that there are links pointing them, but they're not embedded anywhere. We put them there so they don't show up in UnusedImages when we're cleaning up.
Well, I only keep seeing US promos for it, but I found a Canadian 45 of I Love Trash! I think I've found some better copies of some other ones, too, so more on that soon!
Actually, I think Max saw my message, and he grabbed it after I made a place for it. But now I'm thinking that all of the US Columbia pop 45's also have Canadian versions, so I hope they show up someday!
wow indeed. Why does the label say it's "A Pye Records UK Recording"?? That's confusing -- I would have guessed it was UK from that :p. We do have an Astor Cassette for The Muppet Show Music Album, so it makes sense they also released the Muppet Show album...
Yeah, a lot of other countries used to put the source label on their records. If you ever search on London American Recordings, they were a UK label in the '50's, and they always used to put the name of the American label on the label somewhere. It gets complicated, because while the source label is Pye (and Pye was connected to ATV/ITC back then), on the other hand, since the show was owned by Henson Associates, that's what shows up on the US Arista records.
The funny thing is that Pye started a US label in 1974, but they closed in 1976, right before The Muppet Show started! So we might have had them on Pye, too!
I'm still confused why we had The Muppet Movie on Atlantic, and everybody else had CBS, since at the time, CBS (the network, who was involved with syndicating the show, as it says in the end credits) owned CBS Records, and it would have been a lot simpler to also use the US CBS label! Things are a lot simpler now, with only 4 worldwide record labels, so usually an artist will be on the same record label everywhere, or at least another label owned by the same company.
That is odd about the Atlantic records, but I'm sure there was some reason :).
I just found a Brazilian copy of In Harmony, here. It has a whole promotional insert in portuguese. I took the record label image for the wiki as the LP front cover has absolutely no indication on it that it isn't the regular one.... but I can switch it out if you think the cover is better.
Yeah, those are called "designate promos", where they just take a commercial copy, and stamp the back cover with a promo notice, but the label and number are the same. I thought it was funny that they didn't use the SS logo like other countries did. Weren't they running the Portuguese version then? We can make 2 boxes for the label and cover. I hate to lose the cover, even though it's the same as the US version. I'd like to include labels more often down the road, since a lot of them are customized, and this one's unique for not using the SS logo!
Hey, I found all of the record numbers except for Cookie Monster and the Cookie Tree! Apparently, they were in an assortment of 12 different titles, and they exist on both records and tapes. I'm going to write to Thisoldtoy, because I want to add some information that they don't have, and something else has been bugging me. Their site says that The Case of the Missing Mother is in the assortment, which doesn't make sense, because the cards say Sesame Street on them. I think they might mean The Case of the Missing Duckie, because they have a copyright date of 1981, which would match. I'm almost done reworking the pages, so let me know what you think!
I also noticed that the FP records have custom labels, with drawings of the characters, and every label is different! I would love to make an article someday, showing all of the cartoon labels they did, which would include those, and the Muppet Alphabet 45's, and the early Columbia LP labels.
Also, just messing around on Google Images, I saw the back cover of the Axis Records version of Sesame Street 2, and they had 10 more titles that I didn't know about! So everything is growing!
Yeah, it looks like there were 28 Axis records, and 27 Summit records. 4 were only on Axis, and 3 were only on Summit. Everything else was released twice, for a total of 31 unique titles (so far!). It looks like Summit was the later label, because I've only seen Sesame Disco on Summit, and that would have been 1979. So I'm guessing the transfer from Axis to Summit was similar to when SS Records went from CRA to Distinguished, only we kept the same catalog numbers. I still have no idea why they got so many, when as far as I can tell, SS wasn't shown there. I'll have to ask Andrew.
Thanks for the response. I'd like to explain some more, I can't help but feel that the whole story is not known;
I attempted to make THREE edits to the page in question;
The first time, yes, he did leave a summary. Then, when I tried to make a second edit to fix a link that did not look sane, not only did he revert it without a summary, he also deleted the records of it from the recent activity feed.
THAT, is why I first asked "Why No summary?" And if you notice, he did not answer that. He did not give a reason why no summary was left. Its like he was playing dumb. In fact, I had to leave another message before he even gave any response at all. (Granted a response, but one that did address my question.)
So several days passed, and yesterday I attempted to make an edit (on my screen, a word was linked twice, and they appeared right next to each other). I gave a detailed summary as to why I was making the edit. and in response, he AGAIN deleted the records of my summary/edit from the recent activity feed, and not only that, left the response on his wall "Just stop. Work on something else." That is what ticked me off. And notice how again, he didn't even explain himself. He was clearly frustrated with me and thought of me as an annoyance. It was you who finally explained.
Instead of offering reasons, he would just delete the records from "recent activity" and leave it at that. Never once directly answering my first question.
Its not so much about making accusations, its the fact that not only did he refuse to leave a summary (TWICE) he would also flat-out delete the entry from the Wiki's "recent activity" list (TWICE), removing (from the surface at least) any evidence of what I tried to do, and my reasons for it. And leaving a cold, snide response, as if to say 'Shut up already.' You cannot deny that the response could have been less cold and rude, and he could have explained himself.
It will be a long time before I return here. (if at all)
Hi. I think there is a bit of confusion about the "recent activity" list. The recent activity list automatically generates itself; there's no way for Scott to delete an entry on it. Scott probably uses Special:RecentChanges rather than the activity page, as do a lot of us. The edits were not removed from there or I wouldn't have noticed them. Also they remain in the page history for anyone to look at.
I don't think his intent was to deliberately upset or insult you. With his last comment I believe he was just frustrated himself that you kept re-making the edit and probably didn't realize how it sounded. I'm sorry you were upset by this, and still hope you can find a way to work on the wiki again.
Thank you Merrystar for all of your time and attention. :)
(Just for the record, I was not just re-applying the same edit over and over, it was a different word each time. It was not the same edit, I was NOT looking for trouble.)
Clearly, he himself was frustrated with me, otherwise he would have just explained himself rather than go with the whole "I'm upset and in a hurry." response like he did yesterday.
Worlds can be upsetting to people, and as a user here, when someone who is "higher on the food chain" gives me that kind of quick, sharp response, that does not sit well with me. It gives the impression that they feel, "I have power, so I can act however I want to people."
(By the way, I realize that I have been saying to you very much the same things I have been saying to Danny, I just want to make sure both of you are clued in)
I will probably return eventually, but it may be further and farther in between.
Hey, I found 2 more of the My First Sesame Street set. This one we had on the chart, but this one was even new to me! Sometimes I get lucky by being able to see the number on the label, because they don't always type it in the text, so searching by numbers wouldn't bring it up.
And I'm so glad I figured out the book and record sets, because now I'm going through what I'm looking at a lot faster. I'm going to rework the tables on each book's page, and also try to expand the essay at the beginning of the discography chart!
Yeah, I was going to tell you about that one later. I'm still confused why the CRA versions never showed up on the backs of the LP's. They went from the CC's to the 99000 series. If I hadn't starting running into them, I never would have known about them! I also found some examples of the hybrid 45's with a CC number, but a CRA label. That may take some time to explain, or I might just put a note in that section that some labels have alternate numbers and logos, since the page is so long, that putting it in the essay would be more confusing if you can't see what it's talking about.
Hi! Sorry to keep throwing things at you, but I wanted to mention an update on the book and record sets. I think the answer is much simpler than we thought. I finally got some, and compared them, and actually wrote out a numerical chart, and then started comparing them to the wiki, and what's on eBay. On the first few that came out, the picture of the book and record is actually a sticker (see Big Bird Follows the Signs). That's what was throwing me, because I didn't know that until I saw one in person. On eBay it looks like the similar picture you'd see on the Disney book and record sets. I guess that means that the tape versions of these just didn't get the sticker, but I still haven't seen a first edition tape version. Then the next few have a picture of the book that says "24-page read along book and recording" (see Grover Goes to School). By saying "recording", the records and tapes got the same thing. What they also did was go back and replace the titles that had the sticker of a book and record, with the new picture. Then the last sets have the picture, with the "LOOK LISTEN and LEARN" thing added across the bottom (see Ernie's Big Mess). Then they went back and changed the earlier covers to match those. So what we have is that BR 1-10 exist with 3 covers, 11-16 exist with 2 covers, and 17-24 exist with 1 cover. That also explains why we saw some Fisher-Price copies with the "LOOK LISTEN and LEARN", and some without, but none with the sticker. It looks like (according to thisoldtoy.com) that Fisher Price's versions came out around 1984-1985, so my theory is that during the transition of shutting down Sesame Street Records, they just used whatever stock they had for the books, which explains why the books have the old BR numbers on them, but the records had new FP numbers and labels.
So by the time Golden came around, their logo is on the front cover, although their numbering system is another mess I'm still trying to unravel. Part of that mess is that they made "twofers" with 2 books and 1 tape, but one book could be used in different pairings. I think those were random, based on whatever they had, as well. By the way, would you happen to have a picture of the books' back cover? I swear I've seen it before, but I can't remember where. It was an ad for the entire series, but the early ones just have a blank back cover with the usual "you don't have to watch the show to benefit from this book" text.
I'm hoping the last 5 years of my essays to you will show up in search engines, and bring other collectors to the wiki. (Hey, that's how I got here!)
Wow. That's totally crazy. You know, I wonder, if we shouldn't just post all that as an essay on the page for the book and audio sets, with an example of each of the cover types, and then just keep one for each of the actual titles 1-16?
And yes. The Golden numbering system is crazy. I remember being so frustrated because the numbers didn't always follow in sequence with the reported dates!
Yeah, I'm reworking a lot of stuff as I go. Some of the pages have the records and tapes mixed in with book reissues, translations, and even some Dutch book and tape sets! I'd like to make a place for all 3 cover variations, because some of them seem to be kind of rare. But I'm also thinking that it's confusing to have multiple pictures of the exact same cover for what would be 4 versions (SS record, SS tape, FP record, FP tape). I might make an exception for the ones that we have with the FP packaging intact, but if we just have a book, that might have to have 4 numbers below it. Which is okay, because if I can organize the way I'm thinking of, it should be pretty easy to figure out. At least now we can spend all of our time just on the Golden stuff!
Here's something different. There's a CED on eBay right now that has the very first episode, so there's a Gorch sketch on it. Where would we put something like that? Now that I think about it, there were also Warner VHS's of early episodes. Do we have some place to put video appearances on variety shows that are on obsolete formats, since we already have a page for the SNL DVD's?
Huh. You know, I think it would make the most sense to just expand the SNL DVD page to be SNL on video, and then have DVD, VHS and (apparently) CED sections. Blu-ray when it gets to that too I suppose. Having separate pages for them all seems silly.
Hi Wendy: recently you approved My Little Brony Wiki for the Wikia spotlight ("Around Wikia's network")--it really should be pulled. One of their admins deleted the wiki's mainpage, seems a little disfunctional to me. Plus, the content is all copy-pasted from the MLP Wiki (or at least it seems), save for fan fics.
I'm a bit confused. The spotlighted wiki should be this one and it has a main page that hasn't been edited since the start of the year and is not at all blank.... the non-fan content pages I checked are not copied from MLP Wiki either. Which wiki did you mean?
Wow! That's been missing for a long time :). Every time I see that I think it must not be a "real" album from the cover art. And then I remember it is :).
You seem to be the person to go to for information. I am desperate to find the sheet music for the song "Leave Me Some Magic"..... Do you have any assistance you could send my way? Thanks, L
Hi. To the best of my knowledge, that song was never officially published anywhere; and so far I've never heard of it being used outside of the Muppet show. According to the script for the show it was written by Doug Hennings' wife (at that time). So I would guess your best bet might be to find somebody with a good ear to pick out the chords/melody for you -- the number is readily available on youtube I think. I'm sorry I can't help more with it!
Hey, thanks for those 45's! I thought we'd never find them. I can't believe we still haven't found the last 2 in the CTW series. I hope they turn up soon!
I know -- it was the most amazingly odd night on ebay. I'd begun to think the Al Jarreau single was mythical. And a nice copy of the Jack and the Beanstalk single cover, which is also quite rare. I still think the True Blue Miracle single is a myth.
I saw the Bob McGrath -- there were tons of his albums/singles/EPs up last night also. We already have that one although not the reverse picture. Should we grab that? I missed Gordon -- he's up on his page now.
No, I think the True Blue 45 is hard to find because it was only out one time. It would have come out for Christmas of 1978 with the special, and the following year they quit making store stock 45's. They may have sold leftover stock for Christmas of 1979, but I think by then they wouldn't have been making any more. Although it's curious that the 45's on the back cover of LP's continued to be listed until 1983, so maybe they were pressing them, but decided not to make any more new ones. At this point (1981) they were getting into the BR/BT book and record/tape sets, so maybe they were phasing out the singles. Either way, it would make sense that there are fewer copies of it, because it was only sold at Christmas.
And the Al Jarreau 45 is interesting. It's a mono/stereo promo of One Good Turn (so AM stations played the mono side and FM stations played the stereo side), but it's got the same number as the "real" copy with the other song on the B-side. So it matches the chart, but I'm still hoping for a picture of the store stock copy, because I saw a listing for sale a long time ago, but there was no picture.
And I totally forgot about that other promo from Sesame Disco! I went back in the history, and it looks like you had found the information on that one a long time ago, so thank you for finding the text and the picture!
I confess I was wishing the Al Jarreau was the commercial release myself. I don't entirely understand why it is so hard to come by -- Wynken, Blinken and Nod is everywhere.
So there was also this album. It took me a bit to dig through, but the "Holy Hawk" was ringing a bell. So here, Paul says he bought the album and found that it wasn't Sesame. Which is exactly what the seller is saying and suggests that his wasn't a fluke (unless I suppose the seller is him). It is just so ODD that they used that cover! I'm wondering if we should put it on the page as a cover ripoff or something, just so the information is there....
That's weird! So it's either a production error and 2 albums got switched, or they were bootlegging real disco records for clubs, and hiding them in what looks like a kids' record cover. I'll figure out a way to put that on the page, since now that we've seen it twice on eBay, people might run across it, and it would be cool if we can help explain it.
Hi! Ken left me a message because we're getting a blank page for his Message Wall. I haven't seen that before, just on one person's wall... Do you have any ideas about what happened?
Hi. Yeah. The tech team knows about it (and were supposed to look into it yesterday). I'll ping them about fixing it again. TOR didn't know what caused it but thought he could fix it. Basically I tried to leave a message on preview server and this is the result.
Oh! Okay, that makes sense. Maybe there was some unfinished code in the release branch that we weren't planning to ship until after New Year's... so your message on preview got it confused. Or something. Thanks for talking to TOR about it. :)
Hi Wendy, where did you find this information about the second record of Rua Sesamo?
I look for international record albums.... Hope you can help me out?
Hi Paul. I almost certainly found it on ebay originally; for me to have that much info the seller must have posted scans of the album back cover and labels.... It looks like Ken tidied it up afterwards so he may have found some other sources for it.
I think we lucked out that the seller took pictures of everything, and I was able to put it on the page before the auction was over. I wish they all did that!
At the moment i have some people in portugal who searching for me for merchandise.. It is rare but some things are insode the country more easy to get a hand on.
Thanks for the Cookie tape with an unpunched card! By the way, that's a later pressing, because it includes "We'll Do It Together", which means it's between 1977 and 1983.
By the way, have you seen A Christmas Together (album)? Urban Outfitters is going to sell it on vinyl this year! I think I'm going to try to track it down!
No I hadn't seen that. green vinyl? They do love making this album colorful (what with all the red singles). I wonder if it will be the full album or not...
Interesting on the Cookie tape; would they have made a cassette before 1977 as well? I was so pleased to see one on the card. Usually those cassettes are rather dull pictures because the cards are long gone :)
incidentally, they were selling I am Kermit the Frog at my son's bookfair last week. So cool to see Muppets amongst all the Star Wars and puppy stories....
Yeah, they're advertising it with 13 songs, plus they're using the original front cover, although the back cover looks like it says RCA, so I'm not sure if it's put together from other pictures. The actual ad is here. It says Windstar Records, but I didn't even know they were still in business. It also says it's an exclusive, so I'm curious how many they're making. Apparently they sell other things on vinyl, like classic rock albums.
And tapes go all the way back to 1974, but I'm not sure if they had anything on the back of the card. If not, then it would be easy to just keep it the same when the songs changed. I'm not sure at what point they started selling them in the regular cases like regular tapes.
Hi, Wendy! Is there a way you can turn my talk page back on so I can edit it? I kept meaning to archive the last part of 2010, so I'd have an even row of boxes, but now I can't get into my talk page because it was locked from editing when the Message Wall went live. Thanks!
P.S. As a matter of fact, you can still edit the really old talk pages. They must have just turned off the current ones, because they replaced the edit button with a "view source" button, and when you hit "view source" it says, "This page has been locked from editing."
Unfortunately, no, there is no way to turn it back on right now. I went ahead and made the archive for you :). -- Wendy (talk) 03:43, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
For now it would be better to leave the final part where it is I think. At some point when the wall is more stable we could change it. -- Wendy (talk) 04:04, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
You added an image to Mark Antony that to me looks more like Lawrence of Arabia or Rudolph Valentino. Do you have the mug, or is it just a picture you got from ebay? I'd love to get Valentino on the wiki. -- Nate (talk) 15:25, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
No, I don't have the mug. It was on ebay. Actually we already had it here, we just had a fuzzy image that I replaced. So anyhow, I don't really think of Lawrence of Arabia as a "World's Greatest Lover". The reason I went with Mark Antony was that the companion mug is Cleopatra. I didn't really think about Valentino but I agree it is plausible based on the outfit.
