Looks like the segments differ between Sesame Street and plaza sesamos versions of the letter songs; The words are different. For example: Sesame Street used Zebra for the letter Z song, while Plaza Sesamo used Zapato (Spanish for shoe) for their Letter Z somg.
Jb, I'm not going to talk anymore about Elmo's voice by Brian Muehl.
I'm going for a different topic. However, in the Monster Hits! video, where the songs have audience sound effects, do the songs (i.e. "We Are All Monsters") have the audience cheering sound effects at the beginning and end only, or do they have the audience sound effects added to some parts in the middle of the song as well? (If you're not sure, watch my video of "We're All Monsters" here and find out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFP89jaO3vg)
It's hard to determine who's performing Elmo as he doesn't get a solo line in the song. However, it's been described that Muehl performed Elmo when he was a named character, not as an unnamed extra like he is here and in the sketches that you've brought up earlier, so it's probably not Muehl.
It isn't very likely that footage of Muehl's Elmo from seasons 12-15 will turn up any time soon, and because you've been rather persistent with these messages, I'd like to ask you to let this go and focus your attention to other things on the wiki. Thanks.
And I listened to the video and heard what I heard. So that's not Jerry Nelson performing Elmo. I assume that's Brian Muehl doing Elmo, but it also sounds like Michael Earl (he performed the singing voice of the red surgeon monster on Alphabet Time, although that surgeon monster's speaking voice was by Brian Muehl, so tell me if that monster right there is Elmo or not), and here Elmo sounded sort of like Stimpy J. Cat from Ren & Stimpy. I tried my best to hear Elmo's voice and the background. ;)
That gravely voice there is Jerry Nelson's. As I said on another thread, Muehl's original Elmo had a high, breathy voice; according to a few Muppeteers' accounts, namely Carroll Spinney [in The Wisdom of Big Bird] and Kevin Clash [in several interviews]. No clips of Brian Muehl as Elmo have surfaced as of yet.
What?! I thought that was Brian Muehl,... but-- no! That was Jerry Nelson. Well, Elmo sounded like the Alchemist from the LarryBoy Cartoon Adventures series back then, so yeah. That was Jerry Nelson doing Elmo on the Marching Monster Band skit, and he also later used this voice for the Alchemist in the LarryBoy Cartoon Adventures series and General Public in Sheep in the Big City. All right, I'm gonna surf through wiki articles seeing where to find BRIAN MUEHL's Elmo!
I would assume that Brian Meehl performed Elmo during season 15, since he has often said that he only performed Elmo a handful of times (I once e-mailed Meehl and he said he could only remember one specific scene where he performed the character).
It's a shame that Elmo hasn't shown up in any of the season 12 episodes that have recently surfaced (outside of inserts that most likely debuted in season 11). It would be interesting to see if he had any semi-regular performers there. It seems like the classic performers (besides Caroll Spinney) weren't around much for that season, with Brian Meehl, Michael Earl, Karen Prell, and to a lesser extent Kevin Clash performing most of the new and one-shot characters that season. Of course there are also characters announced as new for the 12th season who we haven't found any episodes with yet (and many of those new characters have only appeared in a handful of season 12 episodes we've found so far).
Oh, my apologies. So I now see that there could be only one scene where Meehl performed Elmo. I'm going to check through Season 15 one more time. I'm first going to have to download a handful of Season 15 eps from YT if they're up there and check through them FAST to see which one has Elmo in it... ;)
No, he told me in an e-mail that there's only one speciffic scene where he remembered performing Elmo, but I'm sure I've seen a number of things where he said that he only remembers performing Elmo either 3-4 times or 5-6 times (can't remember which estimates he's made).
Yes. I checked all the Season 15 videos I could find, I checked thoroughly all the way through as fast as I could, and there are absolutely NO Elmo clips with Brian Muehl's voice. I assume all the clips of Elmo with his Brian Muehl voice have been considered lost and destroyed. =(
Just because we can't find them doesn't mean they're lost and destroyed. I saw an article somewhere from 1999 that said that Sesame Workshop converted every episode to digital files, and before then had been copying all episodes to newer video formats every few years, so surely the episodes should still exist.
Are they the complete unedited parades? That's what we need to know (as far as removing anything). Right now, for a printed source versus what you saw on YouTube, we need to actually be able to see and compare ourselves.
It's possible Macy's is wrong when they claim the float appeared consecutively, and there was a five year or so gap, but that also conflicts with sources we have for specific cast songs and so on. So we have to be able to confirm that there was no float for all of those.
In fact, I just found the 1988 parade (one of those you removed) and confirms there was a Sesame float. It wasn't the street facade float, no, but your removal suggested there was no float at all.
But the years you removed the float from were for 1985-1990. I can't even find complete versions of the 1986 and 1987 parades on YouTube (if you found them, they've been pulled since, but that's also why we need to see what version you're working on; it's happened with several other pages where users are working from incomplete footage or only what the uploader included and so on, and we usually try to note that fact or use the phrase "Scenes include" instead of assuming).
Here's a suggestion: it might be better to just do a few edits at a time on that page. That's to say, instead of a huge page of stuff we can't verify right now (that's why the blanket revert, I don't doubt that some of it was correct). If you just change one or two things at a time (if saying a balloon was retired, cite a source or include a YouTube link in your edit). We're really big on citing sources on Muppet Wiki (see here and here). That's easier to do when you're just making one or two changes (or several all citing the same specific source). That way (like with the 1988 parade), we can double check if you forgot something or accidentally edited the wrong year.
Additions are usually easier to prove then dates or when something *wasn't* there, but if you can post a screen grab, that helps too.
Do you think this is the video with Brian Muehl as Elmo? Or is it not Elmo and is actually someone else? Because Muehl provides the speaking voice of the red surgeon monster who reminds me of Elmo (although Michael Earl Davis did the singing voice).