I got a notification that you edited a 'Trivia' entry I added on the page "Episode 307: Home Is Where The Trash Is" on the grounds that it needed to be sourced. The source is an e-mail conversation between myself and Sugith Varughese, which is much more difficult to notate than something that can be easily found on a website. So my question is what steps do I need to follow to provide proof to this tricky source?
Hi! I saw your note. Not that I don't believe Muppet Central, but where did they hear that One Step Into Spring was being pushed back until next year? The reason I'm asking is because I haven't gotten an e-mail from B&N telling me my order was cancelled, which they would have done by now if it wasn't being released tomorrow. I'm still hoping that they may have delayed it a little bit, but not a whole year. Anyway, I guess we'll know soon!
Yeah, I guess so. I see there are still listings for the DVD on Amazon.com, Best Buy, and B&N; the latter two say that it's unavailable. Phillip Chapman of Muppet Central says the decision to delay the release was made last month, so you'd think that we'd know about this in advance. Oh well, hopefully you'll still get your copy =)
Hi! I think you should revamp the "The Muppet Whatnot Workshop" page into a more generic "FAO Schwarz" page. That way the Fraggle Rock 30th Anniversary photos can stay.
Hi, Jon. I found a lyrics sheet for the Rock & Roll! Sesame Street video today, and I'm checking the copyright dates on each song's page on the Wiki. I went to the "You're Alive!" (which in the lyrics sheet the title ends with an exclamation point) page where the date currently has 1981. So I checked the talk page, then the revision history, and I saw that you added the 1981 date in March 2011, where it was sourced from some website. The date on the lyric sheet is 1980. So, do you find the website more credible than the lyrics sheet? Is the .gov website a more reliable source?
I'd say no and no. We usually use sites like Faqs.org or the Copyright Catalog when any song info isn't given elsewhere. If that info can be debunked with official confirmation through a lyrics sheet, album linear notes or the like, I'd frankly use that instead. Thanks Matt, and sorry for the late reply!
Aha, I couldn't figure out why the user had made the deletion (part of the problem of section only edits). When you did the same, I knew there had to be a reason and found her in the above list for speaking roles, but just as "Annie Sue." (This is one reason I wish, even for minor edits, we could be a little more specific, like "removing duplicate" or something.) So thanks for making it clearer (I also like explanations like that for purposes of the history; I know not everyone does look at it, but when they do, it shows why something was done and makes it easier to track a page's development, even if that is getting really Wiki geeky about it.)
You're welcome, Andrew. I agree with the history aspect of leaving edit summaries, and I find doing so is also convenient from a communicating standpoint =)
A source is a reliable place where the information you find comes from. Something from the New York Times website, for instance, is a reliable source. A YouTube comment is a source, yes, but we can't verify it, so we don't use it.
YouTube comments aren't sources in themselves *but* we can use them to see if anything else confirms it. So next time, if you find it in a comment, do some Google searching to find any other evidence.
In this case, it is confirmable actually. For one, the visual evidence, which commenters mention of the singers (seen around 1:05 and again near the end) matches the Winans siblings (especially here).
Secondly, a 1996 press release for Cece Winans mentions Sesame Street, although it specifies performing with Big Bird. A 2002 book The Encyclopedia of Evangelicism mentions that both Bebe and Cece Winans "sang with Ernie and Bert on Sesame Street" and cites their own record company PR department (Sparrow Records) as the source. Finally, one can do audio comparisons, with the names to go with.
So in this case, yes, it is definitely Bebe and Cece Winans. However, Mikaela, I also hope this shows you how we go about sourcing things. We can't accept YouTube user comments (unless that user actually *is* provably an official source; people like Sally Cruikshank have their own YouTube channels and leave comments), Wikipedia, IMDb trivia, and so on as sources (see our policy page on sourcing), but it's like detective work. If the lead seems like it *might* be verifiable, we check with other sources. If further research shows the only evidence is the one user-added claim (and YouTube comments, Wikipedia, and IMDb all consist of user-added info, so the information is only reliable if it's verifiable outside of it), then it's not a reliable source we can use. I know this may seem complicated at first, but I hope this helps! We take accuracy very seriously and it's a point of pride with us.
Very interesting. No wonder why somebody removed my comment on Dancin' Shoes. I even saw that on the YouTube comments that it was BeBe and CeCe Winans.
Hi, Mikaela! "Not notable" means just that. It doesn't mean not true. The article is about the theme song and use on the show itself. The fact that a snippet was used in promos on PBS stations is neither surprising nor does it add anything to our understanding of the theme song or the series and so on (this is a Muppet Wiki, not a PBS promos wiki). So basically, the edit summaries mean exactly what they say.
Also, I can understand that it's an adjustment working on a collaborative project like a Wiki and that you may feel like it's personal when things are edited. But it isn't. Many people will edit every page and rewrite, remove, add, fix, sometimes even *un*fix. If you check the history tab on a given article, especially for a major topic, you'll see hundreds of edits. It's the nature of a collaborative encyclopedia. But unless it's a major dispute, you really don't need to leave a note for each user who makes a change to a page you worked on, especially when we've been leaving summaries. Thanks!
Hi. At the moment, it's too early to be listing performers and characters, and without citing a definite source (at least for certain ones like Annie Sue), it comes off as speculation. I'd suggest reading this for more on sourcing.
Also, remember to read edit summaries whenever your edits are reverted or changed by another user. When none is given, it's good to ask why. That's the Wiki way, of course ;)
Hi.I see you edited my attempt to add OLGA FELGEMACHER's name to this list...http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Muppet_Performers
I tried doing it myself, but it is SO CONFUSING . Olga Felgemacher (THE MUPPET MOVIE/SESAME STREET) not only did many voices on Sesame Street, but she also sang.Can you add her to the list of names under "F"?And then link the new you moved to her BIO page (which is up with pictures). Appreciate it muchly. Many thanks!!!
I hate to bother you, but I would totally appreciate your guidance. Feel like helping someone who is clueless?
I love an image of SherlockHemlock and wanted to add an iPad to it. My goal is to use it in a school presentation that I want to post on the web. Can you please help me properly cite the source and give me advice on how I get permission to modify the image. It's just such a super cute image, I thought it was worth trying to use it properly. Thanks in advance for any help. Thanks, JeanneSherlockHemlockiPad
Hi Jeanne! We don't own the images used here, but if you're to use that image for a school presentation, I would suggest adding a caption below that says "Sourced from Muppet Wiki, Property of Sesame Workshop." I hope that's helpful ;)
