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ErnieBert

aka Ken

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March 1, 2007
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  • This is a totally different (and larger) set than the one we have already.

    It's always fun to see something different :)

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    • Hmmm. I'm starting to think the big sets were just plastic cases where they just put random assortments of books and tapes. Although those seem to be single tapes, and not the double tapes, so that would be good to reference the individual numbers. Also, I never noticed before on the one we already have, it says Copyright 1990 Chadwick Music, and not Golden, although it was a set of Golden stuff. I wonder if it was a one-time release from a sub-licensed publisher. Everything I can find online points to that one set, so I don't know if they ever made any others.

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    • Weird. The case for the bigger set is certainly generic enough to have been randomly filled. What we need is another one for comparison :) Shall I just put that assumption up with the pictures (that it contained a random selection of BTsets)? Or shall I list the ones actually in that set?

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  • Found/uploaded another EMI SS CD.

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    • Wow, thanks! Now that I've seen that, I may have to change the label name to ABC Music for Kids or ABC Music, since they've kept those logos into the Universal era, which means that EMI was only the distributor during the first era. I need to go through the CD's again for some other stuff as soon as I get some time.

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  • Hey Ken -- I can't grab the picture because of all the intense watermarking, but check out this. It's a Japanese Polydor single for Sesame Street Fever/Has Anybody Seen My Dog?, but it has a really funky cover (possibly because they show the B-side?). Also it has a price on it, so is not a promo, unlike the other one we have, and it matches the single from the other countries (Norway, UK)...

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    • The Golden book and tapes run from about 1984 to 1994, or from the end of SS Records, to the beginning of Sony Wonder. What's interesting is that they were doing the book and tape sets before they started doing music tapes. Sight & Sound was doing them from 1984 to 1990, and then Golden took them over from 1990 to 1994, and then everything moved to Sony Wonder in 1995. I'm not sure at what point they changed from yellow to blue, and reissued some titles. The Golden tapes came right after the Fisher Price era, which was between 1983 and 1984. It happened really fast when they went from Sesame Street (1981-1983), to Fisher Price (1983-1984), to Golden in 1984 or 1985. What's confusing is that a lot of tapes are dated 1983, because they're using the original SS dates, and there were 14 of those. And then the doubles also exist in different pairings. I've got handwritten and typed notes all over the place, plus what we've already got on wiki pages, and it's still confusing.

      I didn't know about Twin Sisters CD's! Can you get them in stores? I know B&N has a lot of Disney book and CD's, but I'll have to see what else they have, or what they can order.

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    • I usually see Twin Sisters stuff in places like dollar stores, or the dollar bins at Target. The same places all the reissues of the Little Lost Puppy books showed up (in fact, keeping an eye out for those is how I found the CD set we have). But it looks like some of them are online at B&N and amazon as well.

      Wow. Ten years of golden book and tapes. No wonder stuff got reissued in new packaging! I found an unopened set of Big Bird Meets the Orchestra which surprised me -- that series seems much less common. And yes. The whole thing is very confusing. We need to find some way to document it here properly. The discography is great for showing the scope of the book & audio sets (which is waay broader than I expected actually) but doesn't really let you explain that there are 3 versions of the early sets and two golden, etc....

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  • Hooray to picture uploading abilities! If you need any help, don't hesitate to ask me as well.

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    • Hooray! I was about to switch (I'd forgotten where the option for that was). I look forward to seeing what you add! (I'm still mining album back cover info on musicians and such; some I found online but some I still have to find the actual albums for.)

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    • Yeah, I eventually want to replace all of the 45's with scans of actual copies (as opposed to pictures from eBay auctions), because some of them are pretty bad. We'll have to find people that can take pictures of LP covers (since they won't fit on a scanner), but I think we're pretty good on the main canon of those, although some promo and foreign copies are pretty bad, too, but they're all we've been able to find. If you want to know what I'm going to work on first, it's all of the SS 45's that are immediately above the CTW 99000 series. Those are all 45 sets, and some of them are unique groupings that have no LP counterpart!

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  • Hey Ken! I'm trying to come back and help some more. Just thought i would stop by and say hey! Peace out dude!

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    • Hi, Kyle! It's been a really long time. I saw that you had done a bunch of stuff back in May, but I haven't had a whole lot to add lately, since I'm kind of at a dead end right now with records, or at least until The Muppet Movie comes back on CD next week. I was trying to write you an e-mail, but I couldn't think of anything to say. I'll have to look back at some of your old e-mails. It's great to see you again!

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  • I responded to the question. I'm glad you brought it up. I'd accepted the claim before, and it's still not impossible, but I'd also forgotten the widely sourced fact that Will Lee just had no musical ear. In the tribute section from the Old School Vol. 3 DVD booklet, Bob McGrath talks about how "as great an actor as Will was, he was equally terrible as a singer and musician. Other than my father, I think he was about as 'tone deaf' as anyone I knew. The cast often teased him saying 'Hey, Will, when are you going to record Hits from Hooper's Store?" I keep forgetting to incorporate the booklet info into Will Lee's page, by the way. It has great info, including the revelation that he had been one of Fran Brill's acting teachers! I also really wish I or someone had interviewed Jerry Nelson more extensively about him (especially since outside of Fran Brill, he was the Muppeteer with more of an acting background). Nelson's section is brief but he mostly talks about Will Lee's work with the Group Theatre, how "he was a gentle soul but fierce in his sense of ethos and pathos."

    So I'm increasingly doubting the claim. Right now, I think the only way we could resolve it is if someone could contact Bob McGrath (or Loretta Long, but Bob may be more accessible; even on talk pages, I usually try not to do too much talking of people's first names, outside of Jim and even then I try to keep it to a minimum, but Bob is Bob, so it feels only right!) At this point I don't think we should go by our assumptions and guesses, but if anyone can recognize if it's Will Lee or not, it would be Bob McGrath.

    Oh, waaaaay back you asked me once where my fascination with Will Lee stems. It's hard to say. Obviously he's one of my favorite cast members and the page is one of my proudest research tasks. As a kid, I mostly just knew Mr. Hooper from illustrations in books, and Christmas Eve on Sesame Street but even that didn't air on the El Paso affiliate for many years (it showed up only on cable or the New Mexico station), so I may have been ten or older by the time I first saw it. And he didn't feature that prominently in the albums I had, just part of the chorus, or Big Bird would talk about him. I do vividly remember watching Episode 2073 (I would have been five) so that really put him in perspective (in fact, I assumed the whole point of that episode was both as a continued tribute to both the character and Will Lee, and indeed to help younger viewers who, like Petey, would be thinking "Why is it called Hooper's Store and who was Mr. Hooper?")

    But really, it was mostly when I got into college and gradually the early episodes became more accessible, and also as I researched Will Lee the man and actor. The info in Sesame Street Unpaved intrigued me, especially as I was researching the blacklist and vintage play casts and so on. The Museum of Broadcast Communications in Chicago had the entire first episode (unedited, including "Consider Yourself") available for streaming some years back, and by then I'd seen the Christmas special many times (but the episode was still my best exposure to Mr. Hooper, and Matt Robinson's Gordon). Clips from other episodes showed up on YouTube. So I started to research more, and I soon gradually began finding Will Lee in various older movies, like A Song is Born. I managed to get a copy of Saboteur and yep, no question, the injured plant worker was Will Lee. And so on. It's become one of my favorite games (especially as he almost always had the glasses, but even without them, the face is unmistakable). It's also helped me solidify exactly when the blacklisting seemed to really hit and which projects weren't affected. In many cases, a lot of it came down to the producers; radio soap producers Frank and Anne Hummert ignored HUAC and Red Channels and hired whoever they wanted! You could easily be blackballed by them *personally* if you were late to rehearsal or otherwise crossed them, but they weren't about to let other people dictate to them which talent they could use, and if they liked someone's performance or writing or whatever, they used them. And of course discovering Will Lee was James Earl Jones' teacher, going through books about the Group Theater and Actors' Lab and finding out more about Lee and the blacklisting and everything (and by that point, I had access to both the internet and to Syracuse's library, and Muppet Wiki had started so it gave me a place to share my discoveries and thus even more incentive to dig deeper)... He was a talented and complex person who went through a very difficult period and ultimately played one of TV's best-loved and remembered characters. That we're still talking about him now, and that Sesame Workshop has made its clips available online and via Old School to allow those my age and younger and kids today to discover Will Lee and Mr. Hooper beyond the nice shopkeeper who celebrates Hanukah and gives presents to Ernie and Bert (which still really *is* one of his finest hours)... well, it makes me a little sentimental. I've reached the point where I actively seek out now-rare NY TV shows like Eastside/Westside and so on to try to find Will Lee (and George C. Scott, the writing, and the other New York actors, many of whom were old radio pros, help as well). Just last month, I found Will in Babes on Broadway. Will Lee and Mickey Rooney, together at last! He played an awful lot of waiters, as you can see. No wonder he wound up running a candy store/lunch counter/corner store (I've noticed in the early materials, they usually called it a candy store, sometimes called Mr. Hooper a grocer, now it's really just Hooper's Store and it's everything, and of course the kind of lunch counters with fountain services have vanished by now.)

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  • Hey I was googling the sesame street Live show stuff &found this on ebay www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sesame-Street-Big-Bird's-Super-Spectacular-Amateur-Show-Press-Photo-/390592571594 this was really cool it has grover, stuie and cookie with top hats and canes Never saw it before. I've seen a few pictures from the show but never this one.

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  • http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Category_talk:Rua_S%C3%A9samo_Merchandise

    Hello! Just wondering if you've ever heard of Rua Sesamo DVDs? I bought four at a junk store (literally, they're called WasteWise), and they don't seem official (rough texture to the image on the disc, low res covers, a very mechanical menu), but I'm wondering if they're completely fake, or just badly pirated copies.

    They're mostly okay transfers of the episodes, a few wobbles, but given that they're from the first season, I doubt better copies exist. The covers have the three production company logos, including CTW, but the photos on the cover are 1980s American shots, not Portuguese production images.

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    • Thanks!

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    • I still haven't had time to really research the matter. I saw one shot that seemed to include characters from the co-production in Spain, so that puzzles me (as seen here). On the whole though, it's widespread enough that if it *is* bootleg, it's certainly not a private person or smallscale thing. Since the most recent confirmed series airing in Portugal was a dub of Play With Me Sesame, I'm a bit uncertain, and really we need either an actual copy or a better scan of the packaging. If the content wasn't actual episodes of the short-lived series but instead dubbed skits, I'd actually be *more* inclined to believe it. That said, we know some of the international areas become odd anyway, especially if your version is a copy rather than the original item. So I'm leaning towards most likely authentic but basically inconclusive without a company label (all I can make out is their little crown logo) or other specific text info or dates to research.

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  • Hi, Ken! I'm moving the Sandbox pages, and Wikia's getting a software error for this one, so I'm copying the code here since you started the page. If you can find a way to work it into an existing article, please do. Or, you can move it to your user page for now. Or forget about it since it hasn't been edited in three years anyway and never left the sandbox.


    This a rough list of Sesame Street titles released in Japan.

    VHS

    DVD

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