I think this and this are some sort of Aussie Muppet cover tapes... It looks like they were sold as a set. What do you think? They actually include Sesame songs as well as Muppet ones -- it's sort of wild. I don't know that we really have anywhere to put them right now, do we?
Yeah, I saw those, and it's kind of complicated. See, we already have it on The Best of the Muppets: 15 Sound-Alike Favourites, as being from Canada. And those aren't a set; they're the same album, only one's from Australia, and one's from New Zealand. The reason I don't know what to do with them is that this is the first time that we have an album from 3 different countries, that didn't come out in the US (as far as we know). So while it's in the right place of International Cover Albums, I don't know which one to put at the top as the albums's "home country" release. What do you think?
Oh bah. I got confused because the Aussie one says "Buy this cassette, receive the other one free" on it (on a side note, I wonder what the other one is....) and amusingly has the cassette number Twin-417. It's sort of interesting that a cover album would be released only internationally, and by offbeat labels. Could we find out what the link is between Music World and Madacy (like... is there a parent company by chance?) -- maybe that would shed some light on where it started.
For lack of more information, I'd say leave Canada as the "home". I wonder if there's a UK version....
No, I'm pretty sure they're both budget labels with no connection. I think the New Zealand one was first, since it has a copyright date of 1979, and the cover looks like they used a record album cover and filled out the empty space. The other ones don't have a date, and they use that other cover with Fozzie, and they changed the title. So I'll keep looking.
I found a few other albums on this label on Discogs, and all they say is that it's an unofficial label in the Pacific Rim. I know it's not "real", but I would like to keep it somewhere, just to show the popularity of these characters, and the lengths people were going to in order to get this album. I think we've found at least 3 "gray area" versions so far. It's funny how you never think of Muppet records getting counterfeited, but this seems to be the one everybody was talking about! I'm wondering if it also had something to do with the "Bee Gees" connection (I like how their name was put on the cover) and the disco craze that was sweeping the world at the time. We know that they made US DJ copies and 12" singles for clubs, and I can just see people getting this album played in the Asian clubs, too!
Funnily enough, it was that "Bee Gees" on the cover that made me doubt it was real. We have more versions of this exact same cover than I care to contemplate, so I was pretty sure a real one would not have that!
How hilarious to imagine people all over the world dancing to Sesame in clubs. I mean I know people remix stuff now, but back then it seems more improbable.
I grabbed the picture. We could more or less make a bootlegs section on the page with the 3 we have that this point... Are we counting that mei kong one?
Look at this. It looks like the little book and record logo thing is a sticker they've stuck onto the book rather than being printed on. Like they were just using up regular book printings... or this way they could put "book and tape" on some and "book and record" on others?
Yeah, I mentioned that in the long message I sent you a while ago. Only the first editions have that little record sticker. I think most if not all of them also have that black "from Sesame Street" phrase on the cover. I'm still guessing at this point, because I've never seen the tape versions, so I don't know if the book is different, if there's a tape designation on the cover, or what kind of packaging the whole thing came in. I've always wondered if the Workshop has a vault where they keep examples of their merchandise. I know that the guy who wrote the Disney record guide book worked with the Disney Archives, and they had examples for him to look at. I've also wondered if by buying the Muppets, if Henson had to turn over historic Muppet stuff in their vaults, or if they got to keep it. Either way, I would love to look in everybody's record vaults. It would make things go a lot faster!
Oh sorry. I think I probably didn't totally understand it when you explained about the sticker :). I'll remember now. It's funny we never see the tape versions now that you mention it. Some of those titles are fairly common; you'd think the books would show up even if the tapes don't.
Record vaults would make things faster, but spoil the fun of figuring it all out :).
Yeah, if you go to The Sesame Street Pet Show, I think that's the first one that we have with all 3 versions, so you can compare them. The only other difference is the 3rd cover has an ad on the back cover, which you can see here. On the 1st and 2nd covers, they either have a solid colored back cover, or the picture continues on the back cover. They also have the standard "You don't have to watch the show to enjoy this book" text.
I've seen a BT tape a long time ago with no book, and it was just like the CTW album tapes: Just text and (I think) the street sign. And of course, no case.
Hey Ken. Look at this! If the seller is right, it's a double-sided cassette of "Ernie Gets Lost" and "The Little Red Hen". Did you know Golden released doubles? It looks the number on the tape (13818) matches little Red Hen... But it's a white cassette, not red.
Hi! Sorry I forgot to answer this. I don't know if you've seen my sandbox page User:Sandbox/More book and audio sets, but I have some doubles listed. The problem is that they usually use a different number on both sides of the cassette, taken from the original number, and so I think there are multiple versions of these, with different combinations. I've never seen the packaging for these, so I don't know if there are other numbers on a box or a package or something.
Heya - look what I found -- Northern Calloway, Carol Hall and Sammis McLean collaborated on this book called I Been There in 1977.... I'm so tempted to put the cover up on Calloway's page (which generally depresses me so I avoid it).
I think it deserves its own page on the wiki. I wish we knew what it is. Is it based on SS material, or was Northern starting to create his own material like Matt Robinson was? I'll see if I can find this in a library or something. (Although that's not a bad price to buy an autographed copy!)
Hey, look! There are some copies on Amazon from 23 cents, all the way to 122 dollars! The description says, "A small boy takes an imaginary trip to outer space where he meets a friendly gorilla-bat who plays basketball with him." Now I'm thinking that David was getting into his own area of character stuff like the Rainy Day LP. I'll keep looking!
Cool! I'm curious to hear about them. A gorilla bat?? Sounds either totally goofy or totally adorable. And there's a second one also? Also my library system is totally inadequate. Everything I've looked up tonight has been miles and miles away!
I'm not sure the books should be on the wiki as their own pages, because they aren't really sesame/muppets. But I did think the info belonged on the pages for Calloway, Hall and McLean, because of the collaboration aspect (and also because we do note other "non-Sesame" works for most people).
Yeah, I read "Super Vroomer", about some friends who build a racecar, and I should get the other one next week. I'd like to put a little something about them on his page, because they seem to be stories he's telling based on events from his childhood. I think these are interesting kind of like Bob's pop records, and it would be cool to say a little something about them, for Sesame fans who didn't even know these existed!
I did put up a sentence about the books on Calloway's page (also Hall's and McLean's); but yeah. It's nice to have fun stuff like this on the wiki. I think the main thing is you'll have to open a talk page about what level it should be included and where. I could see it going on his page (like his singles), but not if you really want to include a full summary. Do the books say it is stories based on his childhood? "Conceived by" to me suggests made up stuff...
Well, the first page has a picture of him, and a few paragraphs as an intro. I wish I could type it all here, but the beginning is, "Hi! I'm Northern J. Calloway. Some of you might know me as David from Sesame Street, and I'd like to tell you a little about the story you're going to read. First of all, it's a true one. It happened to me and my friends a while ago, when I was your age, and I remember it really well." He then goes on to talk about building the racecar, and learning important lessons about working together and doing your best and stuff like that. I don't know if he used real people's names in the story like Bill Cosby did on his records, but to me it feels a lot like the Gordon books, except that he's using his real name, and not saying it's a story told by David. I really wish they would have made book and records of these, because when you read it, you really hear the way he talks (or at least I do!). But then again, Matt wrote those and got credit. I'm guessing Northern gave an outline to Carol, and she wrote the text, kind of like when a movie star uses a writer to help them write their autobiography, and it says "with" that writer on the cover. So that could be the explanation for "Conceived by" compared to "Written by".
Anyway, I know these aren't true Sesame items, even though they're created by 3 Sesame people. I'm okay with putting them on his page, with maybe a two-sentence summary. I think a cover would be nice, too, like his and Loretta Long's 45's under their own names. When I get the other one, I'll see if it has the same picture and intro format.
Okay, I've read both of them, and while they share the 3 main characters, only Super-Vroomer has the David intro page saying it's based on an actual event from his childhood. So I think I'll add a little bit to Northern's page, and leave Carol's and Sammis's the way they are after you added your stuff.
Oh interesting. You would think with the same characters it would still be an actual event. It's like some sort of fanfiction then... Anyhow adding a bit to Northern's page is good (anything positive on his page is good in my opinion).
Your library system is apparently awesome by the way. I am envious. well except for the part where my mediocre library system gives me good excuses for buying used books.
It actually looks like a Muppety monster, as you can see on the cover. It's a nine-foot-tall gorilla-bat, so I'm guessing it's a space creature with elements of both animals.
That's.... odd. I mean space creatures are odd, but why a gorilla-bat? although then again there's rosita who was originally an aqua bat-monster I suppose....
Yeah, he doesn't describe it beyond that in the text, so I wonder if they let the illustrator decide what it looks like. To me, it does look like it could be a Muppet. Maybe he was going for that almost-but-not-quite look about it.
I've received message wall notifications for another user lately, and from the talk page's history it looks as if you had asked the question, but weren't the one to reply to me. Shared computer maybe?
No, she had asked the question on the Active Talk Pages page, so I moved it. But there was no name, and I can't add the name and time, because I'm not an admin. Can you put her name on the right page? I already took my name off, since it wasn't me who was asking.
Okay, I haven't watched it all the way through (Dad delivered the DVD late so I wound up staying up and eventually sleep called) but made it through enough to resolve one of your soundtrack questions. Most of those odd identifications referred to the closing finale, identifying nearly every Muppet in the chorus. "Lips Johnny" is Lips, who can be seen here: File:ObscureMuppetMovie.jpg. That's also why Nigel and Crazy Harry are identified, and "Purple Woman" is there too (apparently a rebuilt Trumpet Girl). That also explains why Thog is listed since I couldn't recall his having any dialogue (he sings in the chorus) and likewise the rats and penguins.
The old man we wondered about? It's referring to the voice of one of the hobos carting Jack Black off at the end (apparently the human hobos for that scene were played by stuntmen; I found the resume for one, I'll see if I can do any IDs). I did find out who played the Smalltown baker in "Life's a Happy Song"!
I went to the announcer scene but it's not Colmenero, and I can't tell who dubs him (not someone I'm familiar with, and the additional voice list is enormous).
Oh, and check out Los Muppets (Latin America) for a Mahna Mahna video with assorted Argentinian, Peruvian, and Venezuelan folks who I had to Google (I'll try to do a gallery with IDs later). Enjoy!
Cool! I'm sure having all of the names will help you a lot. By the way, why aren't some of them redlinked? I'm dying to know how Hiromi Hayakawa wound up dubbing a movie in Spanish!
I didn't redlink people for whom this was their only Muppet/Henson credit, unless they were a principal character, since it didn't seem entirely right to create a page just to say "So and so dubbed Miss Piggy's receptionist" (it will be plenty of work to fill in as is, I kept writing and had draft versions for Herman Lopez several times over the years, but they always seemed to get lost and then I'd forget his page had never been made). And it's basically no different than an Asian American voice actor (of which there are a few), but it does strike one as unexpected in the credits.
Cool wiki! But I guess it's only for Spanish dubbing. I always wondered if Pat Morita did his own dubbing for the Japanese versions of the Karate Kid movies. And I wonder if he did Mulan, even though I know that's China and not Japan.
Hey, I just saw your list of The Twilight Zone, too! That will take me some time to go through!
Ha, yes. I actually need to add a mini chart to the main page, to note the few occasions when the same on-screen actor had the same dubbing voice in more than one episode. It didn't happen often, but Burgess Meredith had the same voice in two episodes (Carlos Riquelme, a hero of mine since he was also a very funny actor in Cantinflas movies *and* dubbed Inspector Clouseau in the cartoons speaking Spanish with a French accent, very well done), and it fit. They changed it for "Obsolete Man," I suspect intentionally, since in the other two he played the "little man" but here it was more dramatic. J. Pat O'Malley, Ernest Truex, Betty Garde (who was on radio with Orson Welles), Jack Klugman in two out of three appearances, and Vaughn Taylor had the same voice twice. (Plus obviously I had fun creating the pages for J. Pat, Taylor, etc. I still need one for Simon Oakland and someone else did Claude Akins but it needs some clean-up).
Oh, trivia on Mulan: the Captain (male lead, blanking on his name) was dubbed in Cantonese by.... Jackie Chan! And I think I've mentioned Ricky Martin as Hercules for Mexico, and Elke Sommer in the German dub of Emperor's New Groove, and the Up DVD's French track has Charles Aznavour instead of Edward Asner! (There's an "Az may as well leave As is" joke in there somewhere).
Looky! A book and tape version of "Sesame Street Sing-Along!"! Seller says 1982, and lists a few of the songs (which match). So is this the CTW cassette we're missing or a different version altogether?
No, it's an MPI book and tape set, which somehow either came from or led to the Sight & Sound version (I can't remember offhand, but I think we have some more of these somewhere). These were sold in a plastic see-through package, similar to the Sony Wonder Sesame CD's that had a tall songbook behind it. I saw a whole bunch of stuff on eBay last night that I've never seen before, and it's going to take me a while to go through it all. So I'll write more later!
Yes, I remember seeing MPI elsewhere as well but couldn't remember where or what the association to the more usual names was. Pity the picture isn't clearer.
Here we go. We have the one for The Muppet Alphabet Album, and here are some more, but they're the books only. I feel like buying some, even if the tape's missing, just to see if they have a list of other titles inside!
Yikes, that's a weird cover. I'm surprised Disney didn't sue them for that Donald Duck.
I don't know if it's because of the new Muppet movie, but there seems to be a ton of new Sesame records all of a sudden (even sealed ones!). So I may have some new 45's to tell you about as soon as I figure out what I'm looking at!
Hey Ken, I noticed that you're changing "German" to "Germany" on book and DVD pages lately. The reason they said German though, is because identical copies of these products are sold in Austria, Switzerland, even in parts of northern Italy (basically the entire German-speaking part of Europe), and not just in good old Deutschland.
Yet, I realize that it would be silly for a product to say "British," so I guess "Germany" makes sense in the way that that's where the localized product originated.
It just seems odd to me. But I guess I'll have to get used to it. :)
Oh, okay, I'm sorry about that. I've just been so used to putting country names on the records, that I was just going for consistency on the gallery headings. Would it help if you put multiple countries in the gray box? That would make more sense than putting the same box over and over and putting each country's name under each box. I'm okay if we do it the other way, though. Maybe Andrew would be able to help figure out a logical way to handle it, since he works with a lot of the foreign dubs.
Great! Can you put the other half on Vegetable Soup (book)? I'm trying to decide which one to use. There's another one on the Sesamstraat book and audio discography, but it's out of the package.
Alright, I put it there with everything except the catalog number, which I couldn't find. At first, I accidentally put my picture on the discography page, but I undid my edit so I could let you decide which picture is better. Undo it back if you feel it's necessary.
Can you make it so the new picture is a new version of the old picture, with the same file name? I want to keep both versions in the wiki's memory, because the cassette is a little clearer on the open one (and I might need that for future reference), but I like the packaged version on the other one for the discography. I hope that made sense!
Hiya -- any ideas on this? It's a British seller and I guess could be a version of The Muppet Alphabet Album but it's weird they would retitle it completely.... I also can't make out anything about the label.
Okay, ready? I think it's a version of the ABC (book and tape), of which you can see a better picture at the top of the chart here. The only thing I don't have is the contents. This also confuses me because in 1986, there was a book and tape called The Alphabet, and it actually won a Grammy, but I don't know if it was the same tape as this one. The only thing I can see on the label is CST1, which might mean it was part of a set, but that still doesn't tell us if this is a US or UK copy, and we also can't see if a label name is in the copyright credits at the bottom. I've seen some other sites that claim to have the contents, but I'm still working on that. I'll add to this soon.
I found this picture which is unused and can't find any information about it on here and wanted to point it out to you to see if you knew if it was on here anywhere. :)
Yeah, that was part of a series of 45's that were sold with a mask, so you could "Be a Muppet!" I forgot we still had that. I think Wendy found it on eBay, but they didn't come with a number, so I couldn't put it on the Sesame Street Singles page. Can you put it on Muppet Masquerade? I think it's related to that. Thanks!
Hey Ken! This is the perfect question for you, our video/audio expert! Is this video on here already? I cannot find it anywhere. I'm cleaning out the hundreds of unused photos housed here and don't want to delete it if it isn't already covered somewhere on here. :)
Hi! Actually, now that you bring this up, you got me thinking. Dubbed records get their own page, and dubbed movies get their own page, so why are these dubbed Muppet videos on the American page? I wouldn't have even known they were there if I hadn't scrolled down to the bottom, because they aren't in the International Muppet Video category. I've been meaning to dig into international video lately with Andrew. I'll talk to him about it. Thanks!
Oh, okay, I didn't know that. I still want to figure out a way to get them in the International Video category, because otherwise people might not see them. Thanks!
I agree with you Ken. I'd just either create a page for them, or slap a category tag on the page. I think prior examples are creating pages for them though, rather then just putting the category tag on it.
Yes! Seems to be working. :) There's still a weird notice below that says there's a missing message -- I'll show it to Tomek and see if there's a way to remove it. But it looks like your Wall-less weeks are over.
Hey Ken, when you get a chance can you pop over to Talk:The Final Muppets Parody Trailer and throw your two cents in. Scott has brought up a really good question.
Thanks for the edit: Talk:Readers of the Open Range. I had a question about it. Is there any way possible that the Episode 3364 under the edit button in Season 26 of Sesame Street (1994-1995) "Telly and Zoe become Readers" can be unlocked? H Rytter had locked the "edit button" way back in June of 2009, and nobody has unlocked ever since. So, could you please find somebody on the wiki, and check the page out "Episode 3364" and please find somebody that can unlock it for the wiki's benefit, sot then that way if possible, somebody can edit it? It was not from that episode the picture and segment description. It was from another Sesame Street episode that H Rytter had posted that same year of where Vern Sagely, Telly Monster, and Zoe went on another reading adventure with Vern Sagely the Cowboy from Readers of the Open Range. So, can you please unlock that edit button on Page Episode Sesame Street 3364, if there is anyway possible, or let someone else, (another administrator on the wiki), to unlock that edit button like I had said, as soon as possible, so they can change the page?
We can't create episode pages until we have some concrete information, like video material, a script, or other documents from the Workshop detailing what's in the episode. We can't go by memories, because people's memories can be wrong sometimes. If you can provide video or written material for this episode, then we can create a page. It doesn't have to be complete (a lot of the early episode pages came from Workshop documents that didn't list every segment), but it has to be something official, and not from your memories of watching it. Hope this helps!
Nothing specific, I just thought your wall looked lonely. Hope all is well with you, my very good friend! (*Still* working on that Fraggle article, but finished Taming of the Shrew, now rehearsing for Dr. Faustus).
Thanks! I was going to ask you to post something, just so I could see what happens when I get a message. I still need to respond to the stuff you wrote before the change, but I can't edit that anymore (at least for now), so I'll write some more stuff on your wall soon!
