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Antsamthompson9

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April 6, 2010
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  • Ant, I'm concerned with the statement you made today in this edit summary. You're basically saying "No one is listening to me, so I'm going to do what I want." This is not in the spirit of wiki collaboration and comes off as very rude. In fact, the last thread I remember you creating was this Sweetums thread which got replies from me, Shane and Andrew. If you have set up a thread that has no replies and you are feeling ignored, you're free to ask me or another admin to reply. Even then, you can even propose a page change right on my wall. But please, avoid making statements like that in the future as it is rather disrespectful. Thanks.

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  • Hey, is there any particular reason you've been removing the external links to Wikipedia? What do you find pointless about them?

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    • I finished, pretty much. The dangling part was just the usual "If you think we should reconsider it, though, specifying which cases, we can always do so on the forums."

      O a few pages (Julianne Buescher), coverage of their non-Henson work has become more than a little overwhelming, so I could understand choosing to Wikipedia link there (or rewrite to shrink, etc.) but the tricky part in those cases is usually that the performers themselves are updating, so we want to balance the Wiki's focus (since we aren't a promotional site, really) with their understandable desire to put out as much detail about their lives and work as possible. Usually, the Wikipedia links to people like Lyon or Tartaglia though were (probably) added by one-time editors and forgotten.

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    • Well, that's understandable. I do like when people who worked with the Muppets, Sesame, or Henson contribute to the Wiki.

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  • Hi Anthony! Thanks for cleaning up the vandal on Constantine. You don't have to leave edit summaries addressing the vandal though. Just let an admin know, and we'll block them. Thanks again!

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  • Hi Anthony! I saw some of your edit summaries. If you're more accustomed to editing in Source mode, you can enable it permanently by unchecking the "Enable visual editor" option in the Editing section under the My Preferences tab. Let me know if you need any help.

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  • I believe what you're seeing is a new "Visual editing" system (which I didn't know about until your complaints). If you go to your Preferences (top of the site, right corner) and go to the Editing tab, you can uncheck it and return it to normal.

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  • Hi, Anthony! I just wanted to compliment and encourage you, and let you know how much we appreciate your citations. As I'd told you, it's not a problem to fix coding or clean-up the format if we have the link and other specifics (so we can then check and work from there). That's been a huge help.

    I'll still have to go through and find some of the other pages that need citing and ask you to check back, but this alone has made a huge difference. So thanks again for your work!

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  • Hi, Anthony! We really appreciate all of your help. But frankly, it is becoming a little frustrating that you're *still* not citing sources!

    Your edit on The Big Bad Wolf for example. One can argue whether it really counts as the same character (rather than Brody, as named in the sketch), since it's neither of the main Big Bad Wolf puppets (I'd alter the David Rudman too, in a section on "Other wolves" or something). But that's nitpicky. The big issue is you still aren't citing in articles. When did Peter Linz tell you this? We need a date, we need a proper citation format. Frankly, we may have to temporarily block you if you can't do this. If you need help, you can ask us, or try and we'll clean it up.

    There's also your issues in changing performer categorization; I'm glad you noted your doubts in the edit summary, but if it's unclear, then *don't change it*. But the citation is the main thing, and by now we've left more than a dozen messages dealing with citation issues. Your enthusiasm and willingness to reach out to performers is appreciated. But it doesn't do us any good if it's not properly cited. We still have to go through your history, find every edit summary where you mentioned an e-mail or "someone told me" and add a cite tag or ask you individually to specify. That's a lot of work.

    So please, next time, if you don't know how to cite it, *ask* us, make an attempt *in the article*, or bring it up on the talk page. Otherwise, you will be blocked.

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    • Okay. I promise to ask for your help from now on. Peter told me on November 3rd right here. https://www.facebook.com/peterlinzpuppeteer/posts/611941512185532?comment_id=6103139&offset=0&total_comments=2. I'm so sorry for causing you trouble. I sincerely hope that you can forgive me.

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    • Thanks! A direct link, when it's a public Facebook (like a forum) is best in cases like this. Like I said, if you're having trouble adding the citation to the text, and don't have time to ask an admin for formatting, you can do exactly what you did now and just park the info on the talk page. We can always work around reformatting or integrating information... *if* it's all there to begin with.

      There's some other good info there too! You really are a valued contributor, I just needed to let you know that citation is something we really take seriously, so from now on, you need to include in-text citations, ask someone, or just park it on the talk page or forum conversation (you've seen how often we've done that under "Info parking" headings). Thanks again! I'll gradually dig up some of the others that need citation and ask you to check on those.

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  • Hi, Anthony! At this point, it's hard to tell whether you're adding something based on actual viewing, or whether you left out the sources again. What's the source for your change to Mr. Johnson? In the actual episode, is Martin P. Robinson doing the voice? If not, if you contacted him or he mentioned it on his blog, you really need to cite it (and at this point, you *really* need to do so on the page, not just in the summary). If it's a video, you need to tell us at what time in the video (10 minutes in, 15, whatever) has the relevant quote or source.

    I gave you all the formats and info in previous messages on your wall (the video interview format would be identical to what you'd use for e-mail or Facebook conversations, just no URl, include the date, and the person you spoke to and your name; if it's from a blog, just cite that, with date, and always add <references /> at the bottom below a "Sources heading, if there isn't one already). If you still need help, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks

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    • Ah, Enrique confirmed it vocally, so never mind. It might not hurt to clarify in your edit summary though (when it's not something in screen credits or from an easily accessible DVD), at least until we're sure you're citing everything, just so we know. Thanks!

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  • Hi, Anthony! I am glad you cite sources in your edit summary, but you really do need to cite them in text as well.

    Again, if format is a problem, look at Muppet Wiki:Citations. For video, in general, while we still have a YouTube template (here), it's not used as much anymore and can be trickier. So you can just use this format:

    [http://wwww.whatevervideolinkurl.what Interview with] So and So. Event [if specified]. Day, Month, Year</ref> Tailor it however is appropriate (if it's not YouTube but embedded video on a website like Disney or a movie site, use the name of the website). Many times it will be upload date, other times the video will note specifically, like the Archive of American Television interviews, that it was conducted in 2006 or whatever, even if they waited until 2010 to first upload it, so you use that date. I'll try to fix Paul McGinnis, but it always requires someone else to first watch the video, check the exact claim for accuracy, and then do the citation. So it would help us if you can try to do it yourself, but also don't be afraid to make a mistake or ask for help. (I still haven't made that big community reminder on citations, since as I've said, it's not just you). Thanks!<ac_metadata title="Citations and videos"> </ac_metadata>

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  • Hi! I'll leave the edit on Jerry Nelson for now (not sure what other editors will think, though, so they may remove it) but it still looks really awkward. Citing a specific song and named sketch works, but by episode (with no specifics or details), that's awkward. We already note that his performances will appear through this season. It would be better, if you want to track the episodes, to do so on your own page or a talk page first. *Then*, once the season has aired and we know how many appearances we're talking about (and how many consecutive episodes; if he's heard in episodes 4401-4412 say, that would look better, or note a total number if it's just as the Count, and so on; possibly even need to work it in as footnotes or something), we can decide how best to incorporate that information into the page. Right now, it just looks like something that will lead to episode after episode following and really lead to a run-on and make it horribly awkward. Personally, I'd actually feel better if you noted it on the episode pages (it's relevant enough I think to be worth noting if it's new material, and right now nothing on Episode 4401 makes it at all clear where the Count appeared, if it was street story, or what.)

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