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Aleal

aka Andrew

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January 7, 2006
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  • Heya! A couple years ago, I proposed making articles for each minor movie and TV mentions. The conversation kinda got away from me, and aside from some needed clean-up, we kinda forgot about it. Perhaps partially because I was trying to take on too much at once.

    So, ignoring anything else for now, what do you think about splitting out titles just from Minor Movie Mentions if there is either a) any visual reference and/or b) any connections worth noting?

    That would let us do pages for Death to Smoochy and Hope Floats, but leave behind stuff of lesser consequence like Mr. Jealousy and The Smokers.

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    • It's easier to start with just movies, true. I'm definitely in favor of splitting out visual mentions (a few existing solo pages are pretty comparable anyway).

      Not so sure on connections alone. Death to Smoochy has two verbals (and some fact checking) and ties into the theme, a satire on children's TV, so I'd say it works as a stand-alone page. But for example, I just found a throwaway reference in 2003's The Singing Detective: Robert Downey Jr. mumbling "Muppets and puppets" in a litany when trying to think of boring things. Just as many cast connections but it would make a pretty weak page, I think, as would a couple of the ones already there no matter who's in it.

      Also, the Hope Floats entry makes me happy in general. Awww, that's cute.

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    • I can work with that. I think the fact that RDJ is a connection for The Singing Detective (and that he's the one saying it) makes it more interesting. But I'll start weeding out the visuals first and see where we can go from there.

      By the way, happy to have Lord of the Flies on the wiki :)

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    • I'm also happy that the only connection I could find to add was "voice of the Head" (pig's head). That seems oddly fitting for us.

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    • I believe it's pronounced "Pee-zhay".

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  • Weinachts Gesichten cd, did mention the two.. Grover is Helping Nicolaus and the Weinachtsman is mentioned seperatly. We can ask Julian for the reason why Nicolaus never visits the street perhaps... He works there. ;)

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    • That's in the track titles. But have you heard the actual CD to confirm they're treated individually, and how?

      There's probably no real reason, since outside of Sesamstraat most of the co-productions don't have holiday visits, and most of the "Nikolaus" text was copied directly from Sinterklaas. So there wasn't enough info to justify an individual page, not yet anyway.

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    • Im going to listen the cd soon.. I let you know if they really have two figures ;)

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  • Hi Andrew, i asked Scott but he refered top you. I noticed a lot of differences with the portuguees wiki about rua sesamo actors and the muppet wiki. Poupas and Tita both have other actor names writen there. https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rua_S%C3%A9samo Also on other fan sites they namely mention the pt wiki names.

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  • Andrew, I've been meaning to ask you about something. In the past, I've observed from some comments of yours that you seem to be fairly good at identifying voice actors. Well, a few voice actors who have pages on this Wiki (primarily Carl Banas, Colin Borgonon, Ron Haddrick, and Phillip Hinton), the question is, would you know their voices anywhere? Let me know, and then I'll explain why I ask. 

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    • Very well. I only tried because you were a big fan of a show Banas was in, so I thought that might be helpful. But, okay. We'll put the idea on hold for now.

      On another note, those other actors you mentioned. We have a page for Hal Smith, but what of the other two? Are either of them known to have participated in any Muppet projects? Because if so, we should do pages for them as well.

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    • No, just examples of actors where no further research is required (and there's a lot of those, just not so much from sixties/seventies Canadians or Australia), they just did Hanna-Barbera and the like (and Perrin was a radio staple, so I tend to hear him at least once a week). If you wanted to send me a list of names or shows from the US, I could at least sound off on which ones I can check easily, so feel free to send me a private e-mail.

      If you'll note when I mentioned Raccoons, I said when I got around to that project; right now Voicechasers is frozen for new entries (I'm a lead contributor there) so it's not worth having to do the work twice. And that one Math Patrol clip isn't enough reference (just as with Muppet Wiki, childhood memories of voices aren't enough to go on, even if they are mine). Unlike the Australians, there is a lot more reference material with confirmed specified roles or narration by Banas, so that's why I said it might be possible at some point, but it takes a lot of time and effort (as in days to weeks or more) and possibly money to do so.

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  • Please block me, Nobody AYAG, Square iNola, and NolaPola because they are sockpuppet accounts of User:Endingsesame. Check the User:Endingsesame user page first.

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  • If an episode page has no sourced information, and if no reliable sources for the information can be available, we delete it anyway.

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  • Not to Worry, On that fle I changed, you are right, the quality was bad, but, the next one will be the same I uploaded, but with better quality, is that a deal.

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  • I might be getting some Sesame Street episodes soon, and I want to know how to find each segment that's in the episodes. I know some segments have their own pages on the Muppet Wiki, but I don't know how to find the others. How do I find the segments for the episodes?

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  • Andrew, I meant to write to you about this quite some time ago but never got around to it until now. When I added Paul Frees to the connections section of "Twice Upon a Time", you deleted him saying something about it just being lip synch. I don't understand what you mean by that. He was the voice of multiple characters, he's listed in the credits, and everything. Would you mind cluing me in as to why you don't think he should be referenced in the connections?

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    • It means he isn't actually a connection because the Muppets lip-synched to his voice (way back I thought he'd done a commercial for them and it was proven incorrect), anymore than Ronald Reagan is for using clip footage. The connections section is for people who directly worked with the Muppets in a Muppet relevant project (or wrote something for Miss Piggy's books, took a picture, etc.)

      It's why Paul Frees isn't on Old-time radio either. Any summary that says "no direct connection" (and you'll find a lot of them from a lot of people), that's what it means. Not questioning their involvement in that page or subject, but that they didn't work with the Muppets, were just referenced or had their voice or footage sampled and so forth.

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    • Oh, I see. I wondered at first if you meant he wasn't actually involved with "Twice Upon a Time".

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    • No. A rule of thumb, check how a person is categorized. If a person's page is in Category:Celebrities or any of the direct actor/writer/crew categories, they're fair game for connections.

      If it's in references or mentions only, they're not. That's why It's a Wonderful Life or a few other old movie pages link the stars from the top if they have pages... but not as connections, because James Stewart and Lionel Barrymore never worked with the Muppets. Similar to when someone wanted to add as connections to Epic Rap Battles of History every historical or fictional character portrayed, which didn't fit because those were usually only in as references, and those that weren't were impersonated, so either way it's not actually a connection.

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  • I heard you guys say in Policies and Guidelines that you guys don't rely on memories for information, and I also heard Oscarfan say in a Muppet Central post "Memory Isn't Always Reliable". Why don't you guys trust our memories?

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    • For the reason you mentioned. Memory alone isn't reliable. We don't trust our own memories generally until or unless verified by actual evidence (the source show, production documents, interview, whatever). People remember things or guests on Sesame Street or Muppet productions that never happened, and that's where rumors come from. I've remembered thinking a character was probably played by one performer, then find video footage and clear proof it wasn't. On and on it goes.

      Memory cannot be verified since it's only in your head and can change with the years. A photograph or video of what you remember seeing, that can be shared and confirmed or corrected ("No, that's not so and so, that's...") It's as simple as that. Sometimes you can ask "I remember such and such happening" on a forum and someone else may actually have a video link or a document to add to it. But we can't just go by "I remember this," because our approach is encyclopedic and based on citing sources. Memory is not encyclopedic and can only be sourced outside of itself (that's what we mean by verifying a memory).

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