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Aleal

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January 7, 2006
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  • Andrew,

    According to this page of the Sesame Street Wiki, Cookie Monster proclaimed National Cookie Day in 1980 and it's celebrated on December 4.  But the 1976 calendar and other show November 26th as National Cookie Day.  Why the change? Which is correct?

    Thanks,

    Michele

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    • The National Cookie Day page is referencing a 1980 book (see the picture) where Cookie as shown *says* "Me proclaim today National Cookie Day." It's not saying that's when it started.

      As for the date, there is an actual National Cookie Day and it's on December 4 (and in recent years, Cookie Monster has often been mentioned in social media on that day, or there have been other tie-ins). That's why the page is in Category:Other Holidays and not Category:Fictional Holidays.

      The celebrated holiday seems to date to 1987, so in early calendars, they presumably just chose a date since it didn't really exist yet (and after Thanksgiving seemed to fit). I'm not sure what you meant by "and other." Apart from the 1976 one, can you specify the calendar year, or source if not a calendar? It could go in a "Notes" section on the page.

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    • What's the Sesame Street Wiki?

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    • They meant Muppet Wiki but got confused (referring to the text of our own National Cookie Day page). They checked the calendar page from The Sesame Street Calendar 1976, but not sure what else they were referring to.

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  • Oh... ok. Thanks for letting me know. Didn't know it was suppose to be that way.

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    • Yeah, that's why it's explained on the category page. We discussed it years ago (since those episodes weren't seen in the US until the syndication/Disney Channel airings, but produced earlier, so the decision was made to use that as a way to note that the order was out of sequence.)

      I have a Disney TV reference book that just plunks them in alphabetically, so we had to decide how to handle them (and did so in order of taping, while the rest are in airdate order; most of them were taped early in the season, two before the actual first aired episode).

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  • So cool. I love it!

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    • Thanks! I'm actually working on finding comparison pics from the TV show to put alongside the comic versions of the characters. It helps explain why Bert's smoking and other stuff. It's one of those things that's big or at least reasonably so in Europe (Wikipedia's English page frankly stinks and is inaccurate; the Italian page, naturally, is in depth) but didn't really make it to the states. I was surprised it dated back to the late 1800s.

      (I actually only recognized the reference because I'd stumbled on a late 90s animated version awhile back.)

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  • Hi Andrew. The information (with no image) that you removed from Bert and the Broken Teapot was actually referring to a book and tape set of just that story, as listed on Sesamstraat Book and Audio Sets Discography. There were a bunch of them with sequential label numbers, and we do have images of some of them.

    The 6 story albums (Ernie Heeft Rommel Gemaakt and Grover Gaat Naar School) were released later, on CD and cassette. I agree there is no evidence that those have any books with them. But the covers are different from the ones on the 1988 book and tape sets.

    I've restored the book/audio information. Hopefully we'll run down the missing images someday.

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    • Thanks for clearing the, Wendy! What was confusing was that it copied the voice info and the same notes about names and so on as on the Ernie Heeft page. They might be the same tracks (just reissued later for the albums), but because of the text overlap, I thought it was just awkward phrasing.

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    • It was confusing. I'm not entirely sure if whoever added the voice information was also confused or had seen a copy of one of the book/tape combos and knew it was the same. I didn't know about those book and tape sets before but I will go hunting for them when I get a chance. They will make a nice change from the english-language cover variations. :)

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  • Could you delete an image that Garbigarbi1134 uploaded of an anime girl in a bikini that has nothing to do with the Muppets?

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  • Danielseagren-erniehand

    Heya, just saw this pic in NewFiles titled "Danielseagren". Louise Gikow identifies him as John Lovelady on page 46 of 40 Years. Where does the Seagren i.d. come from?

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  • Hi Andrew, thanks for updating the spelling etc. Im still working on those articles and try to find more like those. Also im interviewing Rudi through fb with questions, and discovered that the picture from Joyce Clements, doesnt include Joyce at all. Some other persons are also forgotten. I try to get the information about them aswell. The hiostory of sesamstraat and television studios in general isnt quit without corruption. If you dont do well your easly placed into forgetdom and all information is boycotted. Like Erik J meijer his information online aswell. But i also found him and he is open for adding fotos and information from his time at sesamstraat. Just have to be patient ;)

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  • Great get! I've just added the title to my Amazon watchlist :)

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  • Heya! A couple years ago, I proposed making articles for each minor movie and TV mentions. The conversation kinda got away from me, and aside from some needed clean-up, we kinda forgot about it. Perhaps partially because I was trying to take on too much at once.

    So, ignoring anything else for now, what do you think about splitting out titles just from Minor Movie Mentions if there is either a) any visual reference and/or b) any connections worth noting?

    That would let us do pages for Death to Smoochy and Hope Floats, but leave behind stuff of lesser consequence like Mr. Jealousy and The Smokers.

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    • It's easier to start with just movies, true. I'm definitely in favor of splitting out visual mentions (a few existing solo pages are pretty comparable anyway).

      Not so sure on connections alone. Death to Smoochy has two verbals (and some fact checking) and ties into the theme, a satire on children's TV, so I'd say it works as a stand-alone page. But for example, I just found a throwaway reference in 2003's The Singing Detective: Robert Downey Jr. mumbling "Muppets and puppets" in a litany when trying to think of boring things. Just as many cast connections but it would make a pretty weak page, I think, as would a couple of the ones already there no matter who's in it.

      Also, the Hope Floats entry makes me happy in general. Awww, that's cute.

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    • I can work with that. I think the fact that RDJ is a connection for The Singing Detective (and that he's the one saying it) makes it more interesting. But I'll start weeding out the visuals first and see where we can go from there.

      By the way, happy to have Lord of the Flies on the wiki :)

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    • I'm also happy that the only connection I could find to add was "voice of the Head" (pig's head). That seems oddly fitting for us.

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    • I believe it's pronounced "Pee-zhay".

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  • Weinachts Gesichten cd, did mention the two.. Grover is Helping Nicolaus and the Weinachtsman is mentioned seperatly. We can ask Julian for the reason why Nicolaus never visits the street perhaps... He works there. ;)

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    • That's in the track titles. But have you heard the actual CD to confirm they're treated individually, and how?

      There's probably no real reason, since outside of Sesamstraat most of the co-productions don't have holiday visits, and most of the "Nikolaus" text was copied directly from Sinterklaas. So there wasn't enough info to justify an individual page, not yet anyway.

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    • Im going to listen the cd soon.. I let you know if they really have two figures ;)

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