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  • Hey, since the topic I've been staying away from has been broached by someone else at Thread:256521, I wonder if it's time we took a look at our goof articles and decide as a community what a "goof" is for the wiki.

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    • I'll have to get to that later (since it really will involve looking closely at those pages), but at a glance, outside of subjectivity, it could use subdivision. The majority are of the visible performer/equipment kind, which are kind of dull to me en masse but also inarguable that they didn't intend for those to show, so that would be one grouping (then there's continuity between shots, and so on). Then we can narrow it down and the more subjective stuff could be required to mention on a thread before addition (nothing visual to prove it, or a matter of script or hearing, it's interpreting timing, or "it looks like an effect/prop" kind of comments, which feel like saying matte paintings or tinplate flying saucers in old movies are goofs). I'll see if I can lay it out by the weekend (or if you want to start a new discussion first, I can save it.)

      To me a big issue with goofs is intent. If it can be argued that it was meant to happen or scripted, then it's not a mistake (and lots of stuff we don't count as goofs happened by accident anyway, but it fits so nobody quibbles). Or if it's something that was meant to show (or at least not an issue if it did). I saw a lot of stuff on arm rods, which in movies which delete them, seems fine. But saying it's a goof if a Sesame Street character's arm rod is in the air while waving (when the rods are always visible) seems a bit much (a mistake if a puppeteer's hair or face or hand shows, sure; not sure what to do on instances of the rod *dowel* showing, which also isn't meant to be seen normally, but when the person is still out of shot and the rod itself in shot, is that really a mistake?)

      I think some of them are actually more "did you notice" trivia (which if there's a good picture and it seems worthwhile, can go on the show/movie page) than actually being mistakes (some stuff of that kind *is* already noted in some cases).

      More later as I peruse.

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  • I was doing some searches through one of the databases my alma matta allows and found this in one of the articles (it's What Do Puppets And Great Musicians Have in Common? They all perform on `Sesame Street,' that's what in Newsday, August 7, 1988). It mentions some band folks it doesn't look like we have and you're best at these kinds of things.

    SSBand-NameDrops

    That's all that's mentioned of them in the article, but Newsome is also quoted in Street Gang.

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    • Neat! Everett Barksdale and Tommy Newsom (apparently correct spelling) are the new ones to me. I haven't found any other direct references to Barksdale and Sesame but noticed overlap in his discography with Cranshaw and folks.

      And apparently we already have a reference to Newsom on The Tonight Show from a Sesame video (which makes even more sense if he was an old bandmate).

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  • Great work! :)

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    • Thanks! I was hoping you'd see it. The fact that it connects to nearly every actor in Germany was an incentive.

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  • Heya! Just checking if I missed something regarding this addition.

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    • One of these? If you find it, that would be good to know.

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    • Dr. Teeth wasn't in those videos either.

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  • ❤ ... that's all

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    • Nice! Between him and Walt Willey we're making progress with the obscure ones.

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    • More Hooper goodness: Mr. Hooper's middle name starts with an H, making his initials HHH.

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  • Just saw your edit to Episode 0276 and thought I should point you toward File:MusicLog0276.JPG, which says Chuck.

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    • Thanks for pointing it out. It's actually complicated. BMI registration has Charles Myers, Chuck Meyers, and Shepard Meyers (or Shep, Rosen's partner in an advertising firm and together they wrote, composed, and sometimes produced spots, which would apply to these).

      Rosen died in 2015. Shep Meyers died in 2009 (so we can't check directly). My general feeling is that Chuck/Charles Myers/Meyers are all Shepard Meyers (whether as an alias or an error, as happens; obituaries don't mention a middle name but it could be). Shepard Meyers isn't identified for the segment but for "Sesame Street BG-Cues," but it seems pretty likely. Either way it's impossible to build a page for Chuck/Charles Myers/Meyers, but might be at some point for Shepard Meyers.

      The registrations also point to two other segments by Rosen and whichever Myers/Meyers it was, "O Cowboy" and "R Ribbon," but I haven't located them yet (you might recognize them).

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    • I haven't seen the segment personally, but "O Cowboy" is most likely something mentioned on Episode 0312 - "Cartoon: A cowboy lassos the letter O."

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  • Howdy! We're talking about Jimmy Dean stuff here if you wanna chime in: Thread:252022

    Also, do you know what we based our episode numbers on? I just subscribed to the rfdcc streaming service and they list their episodes weird. I think they're in order of how they aired them, not as they were originally broadcast. But their numbers don't line up either. For example, they've got two episode #3s for 2017 at [1] and [2]. Where can I best figure out the original airdates for the episodes I'm clicking on?

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    • Aleal wrote:

      They're almost through the final season (they skipped a string of episodes from the start of the season), so the final episode if they air it should be in the next few weeks. Their press release when they landed the show even mentioned Dick Shawn, who was only in the first episode. So that adds to the likelihood that it was either an oversight or, suspecting that outside of country music buffs those tuning in would do so mainly for Rowlf (it's why we're interested, after all), kept it back.


      Too bad they (apparently) didn't think Flintstones fans would be interested in the first episode. Then again, I didn't know about Fred's appearance there until these guides were made. I wonder if there's some issues with ownership of The Flintstones (but it's said here that the first episode is on the DVD).

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    • Yeah, I think it's just because Fred wasn't Jimmy Dean's ol' buddy who went on to play piano (although Dean has an occasional tendency to grab Rowlf by the ears which seems less than buddy buddy).

      There's exactly three known-to-me instances of cartoon characters guesting on variety shows in the 60s/70s (this, Bullwinkle on Vic Damone's show, and Pat Paulsen had a short-lived 70s series where he met Daffy Duck *and* Foghorn Leghorn), so that's pretty interesting in its own right. Of course, RFD-TV also bought the stuffed Trigger and Bullet (and somewhat morbidly stood them behind Roy Jr. while he introduced the old movies) but doesn't even run Rogers anymore, so who knows how they decide what will attract the John Deere and "what physical ailment do you have" ads.

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  • Heya! Exciting recent developments you might enjoy on Was Kermit named after a childhood friend of Jim Henson? and Is Ernie dead?.

    Haven't seen you super active lately, but always nice to see you check in. 👍

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    • Neat finds! Especially the Kermit Scott stuff. I think I'll edit Is Ernie dead? to take out or add a cite tag on the "Bert died/Frank Oz died" bit since it stems from the earliest page version (and the editor noted they used Snopes and Wikipedia as sources, and Snopes doesn't mention it).

      My dad's been in the hospital since March 30th (he's okay, but he's past 70 so recovery/physical therapy take longer). And my PC still lacks a DVD player post-OS reset (there's a bunch of hoops to get a .exe link from the company where I bought it) so no screengrabbing from disc until its fixed. So both of those have impacted Wiki contribution beyond clean-up and such.

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    • I'm sorry to hear about your dad. Glad he's okay and I hope therapy goes well :)

      As for screenshots, you know I've got your back if you need anything. Unless it's those awesome Jimmy Dean skits that I'm still amazed you've been getting.

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    • Yeah, we've been cut off for now (with other priorities and all), but I still have a huge backlog. Problem is even burned to disc (most are just on my DVR, looking Rowlfish), I can't really access them right now (or I could try ripping and use the players that do work, I'm just very out of practice; last time I did that was for UK Fraggle DVDs in 2012!).

      The last Jimmy Dean episode I caught? Rowlf and Dean mocked rock music and donned wigs to sing "I'm Henry VIII I Am" (two months after Herman's Hermits did it on The Ed Sullivan Show). Once I find a way to screengrab, I'm looking forward to starting that song page.

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    • I look forward to it!

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