Heya! Nice start on Los Teleñecos. I wonder how far back the name goes. The earliest I know of is 1995, the year before Muppets Tonight started, for a set of trading stickers (and again for Los Teleñecos (magazine)). That product isn't likely to get its own page, but I'm curious about where else has the name been used.
Actually the name goes back a lot further (you'll see it used in Spanish dub titles of movies, as above). In fact it goes at least as far back as the dub of The Muppet Show at least. (As far as I'm aware, the term was never used for the Sesame co-productions and so on, just to indicate the Muppet Show-related troupe.)
The word is a portmanteau, of "muñecos" (puppets, also means dolls) and of course "tele." So basically it means "television puppets." The dub of Muppet Babies was called Los Pequeñecos as a reference ("pequeño" is, of course, little). It was never used outside of Spain (which is why the name is a dead giveaway that it's a Castilian dub and not from Mexico or another Latin American country).
Then with the 2011 movie, Disney (and Disney Character Voices International, which oversees the dubs for consistency) decided they should be Muppets on everything in Spain too. There's enough info definitely to start a page explaining the term itself.
We don't usually disambiguate by using the original title in parentheses (in fact this would be the first), but in this case, I can't think of anything else that works (well, maybe "series" but we'd have to clarify in article text; that's happened before anyway with translations where titles are too similar, i.e. Les Muppets (French TV)).
I'm checking on that. The Spanish dubbing database has The Muppet Show as El Show de los Teleñecos (although I need to fix that page a bit; some of the text doesn't make sense).
On albums from the seventies etc, they use "Los Teleñecos" *but* the way its used implies its referring to the characters rather than an actual show title (see the above image, which makes me very happy by the way). And the actual show opening? Doesn't use anything at all! (The lyrics say "nuestra show," our show and so on). The only magazines from Spain I can find say things like "Elton John con los Teleñecos," so not a direct reference to the show title.
Indications that it was El Show de los Teleñecos: the Spanish versions of the Buena Vista VHS releases used it. And right now, probably the best evidence, to my pleasant surprise, RTE (which aired the show) has archives of some of their old shows, including 625 lineas, a sort of news/talk show. In a 1979 installment, one of the presenters interviews a puppet Kermit or "Gustavo" (not the real one), then talks to the dubbing voice who pops up behind, José Martínez Blanco. She introduces the segment by referring to El Show de los Teleñecos. So with confusion from record labels and the intro, it still seems like the network that aired it at the time would know what they were calling it. In which case we could disambiguate the Muppets Tonight dub as "Los Teleñecos (series)."
Yeah, the Spanish version was a straight dub (and perhaps not as closely coordinated either, who knows). One reason Disney Character Voices International is now so concerned with consistency (in voices and names, although obviously it's rubbed some folks the wrong way to get used to a new name for Kermit or Goofy or whoever from what they've used for over forty years or more).
And here's a pic from the interview I mentioned:
They also show grainy clips of Ben Vereen on The Muppet Show (and keep calling him "Gallito George," since he played Chicken George in Roots).
Hmmm... I disagree. I would be fine with deleteing all of the drama-related stuff and just stating the facts, but I guess it's your call. It is a piece of SS history. I'm not sure what you mean by "one-shots", but it is arguably a song.
I guess it's better for the creppypasta Wiki, though I would like to know the info behind this short one day.
Hi, please read the text on Category:Sesame Street Animated Segments. This is the definition: "Recurring animated segments produced for Sesame Street, as well as animated songs, Jim Henson-directed shorts, and one-shots with direct Muppet significance."
One-shot means not a series, just used once (and by direct Muppet signifiance, The Noble Ostrich has a Big Bird cameo).
To qualify for a song page, we need basic info like composer and official registered titles (if there's singing in it but it's not really a song, it doesn't count). That's our basic policy, because otherwise any info on stand-alone inserts can just be included in a table (the fact that there's no clear source for the title, a lot of fans call it "Crackmaster" and we wouldn't use that either, and it's otherwise "We don't know much about it but a lot of people are interested in it" is basically why it can't support its own page.)
You could park all of the text if you like (and if you want me to retrieve it for you, I can) on say your own talk page or user page. But for an encyclopedic project, for years our policies have been to avoid pages like that. Sorry, it's a matter of tone.
What's the deal? Why have you guys been deleting the pictures I put up? They've been on here for quite some time. Why take down the pic I posted in Annie Sue's page of her in "Muppets Most Wanted"? And what is this about an edit summary?
As for other deletions, you'll see from the logs that in fact many old pictures are being deleted. It's not aimed at you, it's just a general clean-up of old clutter. We used to clean up the Unused pictures section regularly (as in every few months), but we as admins had let it slip by so recently we had more than five or six years worth. As far as I'm aware, the pictures being deleted aren't on any pages anyway and some I had recognized of yours had been unused for more than two or three years (removed long ago for reasons either explained to you then, or because it was blurry, an upgrade was letter found, or there were too many on the page). If you wish to keep them personally, the best thing to do is place them on your user page in a gallery.
I'm not sure what you're referring to as far as an edit summary.
I like indeed! First picture I've seen of any of the Jack Parnell orchestra with a Muppet, let alone with a guest star as well. I stuck it on Musicians for Muppets (which I need to revamp and I wasn't sure how to illustrate anyway).
As exciting as that would be, no (although I have found non-Muppet German "hoerspiele" albums in El Paso). I'm mostly checking the album pages for sufficient info to fill redlinks (when the song was reused again and again on albums, as often happened). Sometimes checking Discogs.com for album backs too.
I then found the cache of a Dutch lyric site with an entry for the song (they've since pulled them, probably copyright reasons) and which I could check with the video to see that they matched. Then ran through translator. Other questions included "Why are there waves at sea," "Why can't I smoke cigars," and "Why is there no pudding today?"
Re Sam and Friends, just the info I already posted. Looks like we have a source for "A Horse Named Bill" (since Grant Baciocco checked it with Karen Falk and posted the full song track which matches), just be nice to actually find one from the album (in this case, Bob Gibson's Offbeat Folk Songs, 1956).
So can I add that album, or did you need more information? I didn't know that Riverside did any folk albums. I think they're now owned by the people who own Fantasy and a bunch of other jazz labels, and it would be fun to try to find it.
Also, has anybody ever attempted any airdates for Sam and Friends, or is that lost forever? I've always wondered if the DC TV Guide had anything listed. Was the show done live? I've had a crazy idea to try to put them in some kind of order, especially the color ones. It's kind of neat that he happened to land at an NBC affiliate, since NBC had color way before the other networks.
Anyway, I was just thinking of stuff to do, and I owe you a long e-mail, too!
Hey, Andrew! I know I told you that the color clip of Singin' in the Rain was done by Edie Adams. And then I was looking at the list of other Sam and Friends skits, and I was thinking. Would it be beyond the scope of this wiki to assemble a page of all of the original records that they lip-synched? Looking through the descriptions for the various skits, sometimes I can't tell if they're lip-synching a record, or doing an original skit. I think it would be neat to make a page of all of the original records that they used, with pictures of course, kind of like Bob's discography. What do you think?
I think it sounds like a good idea. We note that on individual skit/song pages in some cases ("Poison to Poison," "Where Hunger Is From") and a few notes fit on Sam and Friends, but yeah, in others it's unclear. I'd say bring it up on the forum just so we can thresh out naming/organization (I kind of like the idea of maybe having record label/skit image either side by side or on top of each other in a table), but it strikes me as a good idea (I'm still trying to figure out exactly where "The Westerners" comes from; Bob and Ray, yes, but when? It may be that it circulates on one of the Bob and Ray cassette or CD sets under a different title entirely.)
Well, thinking of what Jim would have had access to in that era, there are some obscure Bob and Ray records that it might be on. I'll check my comedy guide. Did he know Bob and Ray well enough to get a tape from a radio show? I know he knew Stan Freberg, but they seemed to just use his records that were available to the public.
Anyway, thanks for your input, and I'll start a rough page just for me, to see how many record numbers I already know.
UPDATE: Are you sitting down? I found it!
Here is The Westerners as seen on Sam and Friends:
It's called "Two Face West" from a 1960 RCA (stereo!) LP called Bob and Ray on a Platter. I'm surprised you haven't run into this record before. The whole LP looks like it's made up of skits about television. Here's its Discogs page:
Hooray! Thank you! I'll work that into the skit and Bob and Ray pages later.
I'm also trying to ID the source for "A Horse Named Bill" (I just realized it hadn't been identified yet). I think it's probably Oscar Brand, who sang it on his album Absolute Nonsense (recorded 1957, released 57 or 58; weirdly, his official site dates it as *1948*, which is wrong per back of the box). I can't find that track or album for listening online (it doesn't seem to have been re-issued; there's an LP on eBay, expiring soon, but it seems uncommon) but it sounds pretty close to his other folk song recordings of the period.