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Aleal

aka Andrew

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January 7, 2006
  • I live in El Paso, Texas
  • I was born on October 23
  • I am happy and peppy and bursting with love
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  • Hey, Andrew! I saw that you were on today, so I wanted to ask you something. I finally got around to playing the records that go to certain issues of Sesame Street Music Magazine. They have Muppet voices on them (talking to an unnamed human host), but they also have clips of outside music, like songs from Billie Holiday and Louis Armstrong, as well as some classical pieces, and sometimes they give the name of the conductor and orchestra, but sometimes they don't. Do those count to give the named singers/classical performers a page? They're not actually performing with the Muppets, but I guess it would be like a clip from an old movie showing up in a Muppet Babies episode. What do you think?

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    • Hi! I still owe you an e-mail, but wow, that's a neat find (the host is Barbara Mariconda, who also gets billed as "creative staff" and has written children's books and sometimes narrated her own).

      Louis Armstrong has a page, so that's no problem. Billie Holiday doesn't have a page yet, but is mentioned in Episode 516: Gladys Knight (which I don't have myself) in the prelude to "God Bless the Child" (which Holiday co-wrote). So that would work.

      In general, right now my feeling is definitely create a page for the song/piece. For the singer or conductor/composer (when given), note it on the page, and if one's used often enough, they can get a solo page (sort of like we decided to limit composer pages for at least three pieces, unless it was an original composition/collaboration for the Muppets). If there's a single other reference or direct connection, like with Holiday, it shouldn't matter.

      How's that sound for a general rule of thumb?

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  • Hey Andrew! I only just noticed that you undid my July 2013 edit of Characters performed by their opposite gender on the basis that there's nothing to indicate the gender of Ming the peacock.

    I would argue that there is, but not on the basis of his Jimmy Durante voice. He's blue and has a fully plumed tail, and this indicates that he is a boy.

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    • Hi, Grant! Good evidence. Your original edit didn't say, and the skit doesn't use gendered pronouns.

      When I get a chance, I'll adjust (or feel free to do it yourself; we're moving house, following nearly two months sans internet, so I've been scarce for awhile). I would recommend mentioning the reasons in the edit summary, and in this case maybe a brief parenthetical after the name "(based on coloring and plumage)," since they won't be obvious to everyone. If I have time, I'll try to do so myself.

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    • Sounds like a good plan. :) I just did it.

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    • Plumage aside, if Ming is identified as a "peacock" then Ming is a boy. Female peafowls are "penhens" while male peafowl are "peacocks." There is no such thing as a female peacock.

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  • Hey, I feel like I haven't asked you a question in forever! Have you seen Songs From Iftah Ya Simsim? Paul uploaded it, and it's got tons of information, but it's almost all in Arabic. You don't have any friends who can translate Arabic, do you? I was going to ask if Wikia has anybody who can help us translate it. I wouldn't expect them to do the whole inside cover, but I'd love to at least get the song titles, and maybe any cast and crew information that we need.

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    • What ho! Things have been very complicated the last six or seven months (I owe you a long e-mail), but that's neat. I'll check with my friend in Israel, when he has time; I know he can read *some* Arabic, but he might also know who to pass it on to (the reflection on the photo obliterates some of the text, though, and other lines are blurred).

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    • Well, it's nice that we have one of the record labels, too, which should help out a lot with song titles and maybe songwriter/translator names. I found it funny that it says "Made in France" in English on a record that's recorded in Arabic!

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  • Hey, nice screenshots! I added them to a gallery on Gerry Parkes so we don't lose them.

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    • Thanks! Yeah, I'd been meaning for ages (before he passed on) to create something similar to Sesame Street Cast in Other Roles. I wasn't sure whether to make it a standalone page though. I'll probably just work on it there for now, and if it becomes too full/unwieldy, break out. I'll re-arrange in chronological order and add specifics (I just got caught up in other things this week).

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    • I love it. I don't think I've seen a single thing he's done other than Fraggle Rock.

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  • Heya. I just went through the Redbook entries for GMC and I couldn't find anything about Christopher Reeve. Do you remember where you saw that?

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  • does anyone know the sesame street episode number with the plot of the count's countdown?

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  • How do I add another album release to a page?

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    • Which album are you trying to add?

      Basically, just add a new line in the list. We usually use asterisks, *, for items in a list. Type the name of the album and place it in brackets, like so: [[Name of Album]].

      If the album doesn't have a page yet, it's usually wiser to create it first. Check Category:Sesame Street Albums first though (especially since sometimes titles were changed for re-issues, and single releases are covered in their own list). Hope this helps! (I'm going to be offline for awhile, but if you're still having trouble, let me know what it is specifically and I'll reply when I can.)

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  • House-Of-Bricks

    Here's the image from the press kit for you. SS's social media stuff made a promo post for it too if you'd want to use that as well.

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  • Thanks for cleaning those up. The uploader adds it automatically. I've asked Wikia to disable that, they said they would, so I'm just waiting for the change to implement.

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    • Yeah, there are still a couple of automatically added categories (like for CC image licenses) which I couldn't take out at all because they're embedded in the code, not added manually. See here.

      I also need to ask Danny what he wants to do about Category:Soakies (he added the category tag a little while ago but didn't actually create it). The main problem was the Wikia switch which made redlinked categories look blue, so you don't notice if you tagged a non-existent category or misspelled an actual one.

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    • Also, right now we have no double redirects, all broken redirects are fixed, and only two unused videos (added just yesterday so I'm giving the user some time). Yay for a clean Wiki.

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    • Yay, a clean wiki is a happy wiki! We had a lot of unused videos about a month ago until I cleaned a lot of them up. It still bugs me that we have no way of knowing when one of those videos goes dead until we randomly happen upon it.

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  • Hey, Julian said they did a completely different joke in German when they get to the poster that says, "Die[,] Muppets"! Have we ever made a page that's called something like "Muppet Gags that Don't Translate"? I wonder how many times this has happened.

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    • Hi! Belated reply, but I've still been diving into the German stuff. Peter Flechtner, who dubbed Jean-Pierre Napoleon and has one or two other Muppet connections, was in Schindler's List! (Small part as an SS officer; we still just have the VHS, so I'll need to pick it out.)

      Anyway, the answer is yes! Sometimes it's something not translating, sometimes it's changing it for local reasons. This doesn't just happen with phrases but also references to people or movies and so on. One change on Die Muppet Show which I still don't fully comprehend is switching Mickey Rooney (in the Paul Williams ep) to Mickey Mouse! (Rooney was known in Germany, but then again, unlike say John Wayne, never quite as big, plus it's unclear just what age they thought their target audience was). But a bigger one occurred in the Rich Little episode (which was based on dodgy imitations of mostly US celebs anyway, some of which are hard to figure out even without dubbing!) Anyway, the W. C. Fields impression in the cold open... is referred to by Scooter as Bill Ramsey, an American singer who hit it big when he moved to Germany. He is a little chubby, but certainly didn't say "Godfrey Daniels" (that was kept) or wear a scarf and top hat.

      I had to cancel Netflix for now, cutting back on things, but before I did, they added Spanish dubs of Muppet Movie and Great Muppet Caper (not the original Muppet Movie dub; this one seems to have been done during the 1990s when Disney had the video rights, but not sure if it was released then, and GMC never had a theatrical dubbed release in Latin America as far as I can tell). In Caper, they drop the Dear Abby joke (instead, Fozzie says "I'll choose the paper that carries the comics," since that's more universal.)

      There's also creating new jokes, often out of character names (in both the German and Israeli Sesame dubs, Guy Smiley is renamed to reflect a celebrity TV host or quizmaster from that country; or Lefty becoming "Schlemihl," with obvious connotations.)

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    • Cool, thanks! Did laserdiscs ever have multiple tracks in different languages? I was thinking how people would get copies of older movies, back when another company owned them, and the dubbing might have been different, like what happened to Muppet stuff. I guess the only other way would be to track down foreign copies, and invest in foreign players to play them on!

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