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Aleal

aka Andrew

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59,223 Edits since joining this wiki
January 7, 2006
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  • I have a suggestion. What do you guys think about creating a template for guides that are compiled from Sprout airings of Sesame Street episodes, but we aren't sure whether they reflect the original airing or not? For example:
    This episode guide has been compiled from a Sprout airing, and may or may not be equivalent to the original PBS broadcast.
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    • Hi, I think you're using my wall for things that you should really start forum discussions on. That's a better way to ask "you guys." In cases like this and some others you've started, you're either asking me when you're referring to another admin's edits (when really you should be discussing it with them), or (as in this case) it's a broad question (and ones where I really have no info or opinion).

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    • Is it okay if I repost on the forum even though I already posted it here?

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    • Yes, because this isn't the best place for others to see it (and it also means any subsequent conversation shows up as a personal alert because it's on my wall, whether I'm actually involved in it at all). You should only use my wall when it's something not involving people who you're better off asking (Shane, Jonathan, when it's their edits or a policy they told you), and not a wider show or community question where you either want or just need input from other people. (If it's the "I can't get this to work/code is off" sort of issues, that's fine even if someone beats me to it, since those are issues where we as admins are more apt to look at each other's pages.)

      I don't work on those Sprout pages or have any episodes or really think much of anything about a new template about it, so you should start a forum thread for it. Thanks. It will keep things tidier.

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  • I just received 3 DVDs containing some rare Sesame Street episodes. That makes me very excited and I am desperate to see more rare episodes. Somebody on the Muppet Central told me that I should start requesting trades rather than just requesting people for episodes when you don't have any of your own. Now that I have my own set of rare episodes on DVD, I can start trading. It's hard for me be patient when it comes to rare Sesame Street episodes because I am a die-hard Sesame Street fan that and there are a bunch of rare episodes that haven't surfaced in years, some even decades. I am just trying to get my hands on more rare episodes. When people don't reply to my Muppet Central Forum messages, it really aggravates me. Because of that, I try sending messages to people on here as an alternative when that fails. If this method isn't appropriate, do you have any other methods I can obtain rare episodes?

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  • The countdown timer on the beginning of my copy of Episode 3652 says the date the episode aired was March 21, 1997. Do countdown timers at the beginning of master tapes usually represent the day the episode was aired, or the day it was filmed?

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    • The dates represent when it was shot, first because that's the purpose of the dates at the beginning anyway (to mark when it was made). Secondly, season premieres aside, perhaps, they don't know exactly when the episode will air.

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    • Pokemonfanultimate wrote: The countdown timer on the beginning of my copy of Episode 3652 says the date the episode aired was March 21, 1997. Do countdown timers at the beginning of master tapes usually represent the day the episode was aired, or the day it was filmed?

      Neither. It represents the day the master was assembled.

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    • Aha! Thanks for the correction.

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  • Can you please delete this file that I uploaded? [[1]]? MuppetVJ just revealed to me that it was fake.

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  • I just uploaded the episode number for this episode, but the dimensions are too large. Can you shrink it for me please?

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  • Some edits people make by memory and you guys leave it alone and don't revert them, others you revert. For example, Oscarfan added to Episode 3873, Episode 3803, and Episode 3805 Syndication: 123 Sesame Street and he must have added it by memory because he didn't list the cuts for the episodes so he must not have a copy of the episodes on hand and his edits still haven't been reverted to this day. Are there certain memories you guys rely on and others that you don't?

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    • Those were added as such because it was originally mentioned here that Noggin ran all episodes from 30/31. I had nothing to verify the info and there wasn't evidence suggesting it was false.

      I don't know why you continue to argue on this. Sources are solid, memories are not.

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    • Sorry if I drove you crazy. I have autism and sometimes because of my autism I can get a little repetitive and fixate on things without realizing it. I've made mistakes on this wiki a number of times that admins have reverted and I've been warned by admins a number of times when I've done something wrong. So please don't block me. I am worried someday that I will get blocked for making too many mistakes because I've made several of them before on this wiki, but I just wanted you guys to be aware that I never mean to hurt this wiki, I am only trying to help it. I may have frustrated you guys about how much I have harped on this subject, but the biggest reason I did was because Fozzieboba admitted to me through his YouTube channel that he made his edit to Episode 4052 by memory and he denied that and reverted his edit he made to that page, resulting in a huge argument between the 2 of us. I like to evaluate and analyze people's sources because I want all the information on the wiki to be as accurate as possible. About a year ago, I had a discussion with Aleal regarding this syndication claim: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:219606. And that made me wonder what your source was for those 3 edits. It scares me sometimes when I see people get blocked on this wiki even though they don't seem to understand the rules or intend on hurting the wiki and it makes me worried that someday I might be that person. I'm a human being and I make mistakes and say stuff that I shouldn't say just like all other humans. So whenever I make a mistake or get too repetitive, please just simply let me know because I never mean to. And if you guys have noticed I don't usually make the same mistake more than once once you guys have reminded me. Just wanted to make this clear to all of you guys because sometimes I feel like you guys misinterpret people on here as vandals or people who are trying to cause trouble when they are only trying to help out the wiki. Thanks for understanding.

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    • Are message walls not an appropriate place to explain myself? Should I redo it on your forum?

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  • Jbrangwyne53 says that forum posts are not reliable sources, but I'm not entirely sure that I fully agree with him, because sometimes the people on the forums actually have copies of the episodes and are NOT basing them on memories. What are your thoughts on using forum posts as sources?

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    • It's our policy and Jonathan was speaking as an administrator. We have no way of verifying that person's copies (except in a few cases where the posts were by someone who's also a user here, or further correspondence, trading, or research has taken place). It's especially so for facts or claims ("I read this on Muppet Central so it must be true.")

      If you want to bring up specific posts where you think it may be verifiable (depending on the age, the possibility of contacting that person and making sure they're not going from memory), you could try. But that's why, for our purposes, it's really about the same as say what someone says on YouTube (if it can be verified elsewhere, from credits or other sources, we can use it; if not, no).

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    • For further clarification, see Muppet_Wiki:Policies_and_Guidelines#Sources, especially this passage: "Such information should only be added or entries only brought up if they are confirmed by screen credits, presskits, or other reliable outside sources. Otherwise, it generally reflects what an unknown user *thinks* is correct, and in many cases reflects rumors, guesses, or even personal fantasies and outright nonsense." (And yes, "unknown user" here applies to usernames or anyone who we don't actually know; often but not always if someone uses a full name and says "I worked on such" or "I'm related to so and so," that can usually be checked and they can usually be asked, which we have done).

      With whatever Muppet Central posts you're talking about (I haven't seen them so it's not clear to me), they may be accurate but we can't confirm it. When we can, we'll add it.

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  • Back a about a couple years ago, somebody found high quality digital versions of episodes 2-11 and 13-16. Then about a year ago, high quality versions of Episodes 2746-2760 were found. Do you know exactly how these episodes were obtained? I'm just curious because maybe it could help me find more rare episodes if you do know.

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  • Me and fozzieboba have been fighting over each other's edits to the Episode 4052 episode page and I don't want to start edit warring but his addition to the Episode 4052 episode page was added from memory. I went to his YouTube channel to ask him if he could upload Episode 4052 because I thought he had it and I want to see that episode but when I asked him he said he didn't have it. Then I asked him how he knew that that the segment he listed was cut from the Sprout version and he said "Because I watched it before, and it was cut". So I went to edit the Episode 4052 episode page and deleted the part that he added with the edit summary "fozzieboba admitted to me through his YouTube channel that he made this addition by memory, so I reverted it.". Then Fozzieboba, in denial, reverted my edit with the edit summary "No I did not.". What should I do the next time this happens? Just ignore it and pretend like it never happened or report it to one of you guys? I am only trying to help the wiki and I want the information on here to be as accurate as possible. And if you want proof of the argument we had on YouTube, here is the link [[1]]. You will see our argument in the comments section of the video

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  • I know I've already sent this to you, but you never replied or unlocked the page so I'm sending it to you one more time so hopefully you'll see it this time:

    Can you please unlock the Episode 4016 episode page? I have some important changes I want to make to the article and the lock has almost expired anyway, so if you could unlock it just for me that would be nice.

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    • Please don't repeat messages. I'm working on other projects this moment, and repeating is spamming.

      If you can clarify what you mean by "important changes," I might (I didn't lock it in the first place), but it's a major vandal target. And it won't be right away, since I'm trying to finish what I'm working on (and I've been struggling on it for a few hours due to computer issues).

      Don't "resend" again, especially not within such a short time span (after a day or two, maybe, just as a PS on the original, since we all have lives outside of Muppet Wiki).

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    • Sorry, I won't do it again. I just wanted to add segments that I found from the VideoNow Jr. copy of the episode.

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    • Okay, that's a lot clearer. Also, next time, you're probably better off leaving the message with the administrator who protected the page originally (it's shown in the history).

      We may or may not have to re-protect the page, but generally, "it's expiring soon anyway" is more reason to ask you to patiently wait.

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    • It should work now, but I had to figure out what protections someone else had sent and why. He may choose to reprotect after the expiration date, depending on targets (right now, it blocks new users only, since that applies to more vandals, but we have had dormant returnees.)

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