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I have noticed that this category includes some characters who were built and featured in productions that were made, even if they weren't shown to the general public. The description here says "Unfinished and/ or unused characters". I would gues "unused" means that they were never used in any productiosna t all. But Jake, Henry, and The King of Id were all used, even if just in productions that weren't shown on television. should they be here? --Minor muppetz 00:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Good question; for example Princess Gwendolinda was finished and used in Tales of the Tinkerdee. However she's in here. The production is labled "unfinished" although it was completed (just not widely seen or shared until years later). So wht's ment by "Unfinished and/or Unused"?-- Brad D. (talk) 00:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Danny decided all unaired pilot characters should go in here rather than Muppet characters (whereas characters from televised pilots aren't). Unused/unfinished is pretty clear, actually, though one might add to the definition to explain the pilot characters. The Primitives are a good example of finished but unused (outside of a cameo in the Television Academy Hall of Fame, which doesn't really count), or Alien Gameshow Host. The reason for both is because some characters never got beyond the writing, design, or early mock-up stages, while others were completely finished but still never used. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
So any character (finished, used or whatnot) in an originally unaired pilot is "unfinished" regardless of if the pilot is seen or released later. I understand now, but the category description should be cleared up to reflect that. -- Brad D. (talk) 01:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure I follow you. If you mean if the pilot was later seen in exhibitions or special events, then that still applies. Thus the use of the term "unaired," which I just added. Unaired and unseen are by no means synonymous. In the unlikely event that any of these are televised at some point, that would change. It's a little cooky, I admit (I mean, the King of Id is a Muppet character, even if the pilot wasn't aired), but I also think it makes a sort of sense, especially given puppet repetition; The Spook isn't here because the puppet was reused. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


Would this be the right place for Unfinished Characters meant to be played by humans also (ie. Unfinished Human Characters)? --Cantus Rock 22:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you mean. If you mean characters who appeared in script drafts, with specific names, who were never actually used, then sure. It's not a seperate category, any character conceived but not manifested can go here, though we do prioritize Muppet characters naturally. That said, I'd like to have more specifics on what you have in mind, since the info might be better off included in the page for the specific project. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I meant characters from unfinished scripts with names and plot function that were meant specifically for human players, so cool, I'll place them here. I just asked since I think these would be the first human characters in the category, so if you wanted to break it down further that could've been done before I wrote everything up, but its easier to put them here and it keeps the group cohesive. And yeah the information will be reflected on the project's page as well --Cantus Rock 22:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
What I'm wondering is, do they need their own pages? Can you give me an example? I'm asking partially because, in this case, illustrating the pages will pretty much be impossible, so there should be sufficient text to make it an interesting page regardless. If you have full descriptions and plot role details for the characters, then that would work (see Amazonia the Parrot as an example). But if it's only, "So and So would have appeared in Muppet Project X. He is a doctor," then it should probably just be a note. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I know what you're saying, and don't worry. I'll have an example up soon to illustrate which should clear up your concerns. --Cantus Rock 22:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, check out the Postman Joe article. I'd say that's enough to warrant an article, but it can be merged if necessary. --Cantus Rock 23:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
My concerns have been allayed. That's a great article! I especially like the "paradigm shift" bit. Carry on! -- Andrew Leal (talk) 23:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Rock and roll, glad ya like it. Got a few other cool ones, and some other already existing articles to expand upon. :-D --Cantus Rock 01:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

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