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Episode credits

Somewhere in the Music section of Sesame Street: A Celebration - 40 Years of Life on the Street, it mentions that the writers are often the ones who write the lyrics for the songs that appear in their episodes. Can we use the info from ASCAP and BMI, being able to differentiate who's a writer and who's the composer, to say who wrote each episode? (Example: "I Want a Rock"; lyrics are by Joey Mazzarino, ergo, he wrote the episode itself) - Oscarfan 22:43, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think that's a bit of a leap to take. We can't take one mention and apply it as law to every situation. But we can use it as a guide. —Scott (message me) 07:13, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ordering

How do I order episodes by number when creating new pages? They keep ordering by "E" or "0". -- MuppetDude 16:57, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Put a space before the number. EX: "_0987". - Oscarfan 17:07, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
After several attempts, I still can't seem to get it right. -- MuppetDude 17:34, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
I don't mean out the line in, that was just to symbolize a space. So, instead of the line, just hit Spacebar. - Oscarfan 17:37, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip! By the way, many of the episodes I'm uploading come from this: http://web.archive.org/web/20000614030752/http://members.tripod.com/dw_m/sesameframes.htm I have seen many of these shows (and I have several of them) and can confirm that the information here is accurate. -- MuppetDude 17:45, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Sesame Street Episode Help

Hey guys, I'm new here and really appreciate this site, especially since the wikipedia episode guide was pulled some time ago. I have roughly 50 episodes scattered from Season 23 and forward through about Season 36 on tape/DVD and have managed to get the numbers for each (in some cases my tape starts after the number is shown). I was going to add plot summaries here, as I had time, but I am not sure I can commit to the full-color versions of the episode guides included here (though they are wonderful) as playing, snapping, and uploading all those stills is just a bit beyond the time I've got. Are the only options available 1) nothing; 2) episode name with sponsors; and 3) full-color annoted descriptions for each episode? Nothing between 2) and 3)? Also, as side note, I'm finding it a bit difficult to figure out which episodes need help (it takes a lot of clicking between the talk pages of the various seasons and the episodes themselves in the Episodes category). Could all the episodes with only partial info be listed in the episode section instead of in the Talk pages of the seasons? Or am I navigating incorrectly? Thanks for all your work... -- Erin aka Erinishuman 01:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Erin, that's a really good question which I don't think has been discussed here before. One time someone added a page for an episode which he called "16??". I deleted it, because if we didn't know the number, it wasn't worth adding to the Wiki. But if the episode has some significance which we would want to be known on the Wiki, what would we do? Would we ask Sesame Workshop about it? Or would we make a page for the episode with a made-up title? This is exactly the kind of topic we at the Wiki are glad to discuss.
Also, what are the episode numbers you have? I'm an avid collector of them as well; if I don't have them, I may be interested in trading with you. Feel free to contact me through this site (scroll down for the link that says "Email me"). --MuppetVJ 01:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
There are many episodes for which we just have the street-scene outline or a list of sketches, or some combination of the two. Or sometimes people put it in table format but don't add the images. (eg. Episode 0735, Episode 4108, Episode 3855 and Episode 4087). Usually we look for one picture that corresponds to something in the episode, but that's not even required, and can frequently be found already on the wiki anyhow. So I'd say if you know the episode numbers, go ahead and add what you can; somebody'll flesh them out to full tables later. -- Wendy (talk) 01:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Erin, pretty much whatever you want to do is fine. The full-color annotated descriptions make for the nmost complete pages, *but* they're also the most work for the contributor(s). If you look around, there's quite a few pages which are still just blank lists, and others which have synopses of the street scenes. Basic street plot summaries are an excellent place to start. If you get a little more time and want to move to a full listing of segments, that's also helpful, though not necessary. From such lists, other editors can add images for repeat inserts which are already on the Wiki. Basically, any info on episodes which aren't here is appreciated. Don't feel that you have to invest hours in screengrabbing etc. (though if you ever did feel like it, we wouldn't stop you). The Wiki grows by inches as much as by miles, so to speak.
As for your other question, episodes with only partial info, that's in fact the majority of pages. The complete ones are only those found in Category:Sesame Street Episode Guide. The things on the season talk pages are descriptions taken from Wikipedia or elsewhere, and not always verified. Right now, we don't have a seperate list of incomplete pages, because again the vast majority need help of some kind, but the degrees vary (like I said, some are lists, some just plot summaries, etc.) The best suggestion I could make on that score is to plug in the episode numbers you have into the search box (or enter it as an article title), see what if anything shows up, and add whatever info you want or have time for. Good luck. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh that reminds me. One other reasonable way to find the "partial" episodes is to pull up the Category:Sesame Street Episode Guide in one browser tab (and/or copy it into an editor somewhere if you don't like tabs) and then open up Category:Sesame Street Episodes. The latter is any episode for which we have some kind of page. Then you just compare them side by side. -- Wendy (talk) 01:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, thank you all! Just one more question. Well, maybe two. If I am going to add bits and pieces (such as a detailed plot summary, a list of celebrity appearances, or sketches) but not have them necessarily in run-order, is there any template you'd prefer I use? I was going to just copy Episode 3855 which is more or less what I have in mind, but happy to use some other episode as a guide.
Second, how are you handling renumbered repeats? For example, one of my episodes is Big Bird as the Great Nineteenie, which is Episode #2970 and also #3286. Do you use one page and have links for both episodes point to it? Otherwise it may be tough to keep them in sync. Thanks! — Erin (talk) 03:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
If they're not in order, we'd prefer a short list of whatever segments you remember are there (example: Episode 2980), until someone actually watches the episode while they make the guide. It's okay to make guides for renumbered repeats, since both versions of each repeated episode have different inserts, but the same street scenes. --MuppetVJ 04:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
The format on Episode 3855 would be great. In general, some information is better than no information, on any page. People shouldn't post guesses or speculation, or information that's only based on memory, but since you've got tapes, you should add as much or as little as you've got time and patience for. :) -- Danny (talk) 13:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

incomplete guides, part 2

test templates
  • Template:Incomplete (included in 3 SSguide*)
  • Template:Incomplete-N2
  • Template:Incomplete-N
  • Template:SSguide-ctw -- Episode 0966
  • Template:SSguide-noggin -- Episode 0871
  • Template:SSguide-missing -- Episode 3200
  • Template:SSguide-ctw2 -- another option, see below

Well, darn it all, I can't get the one template to do what I want it to do, so I had to settle on three versions. They're linked in the table to the right and two of the variants are being tested on Episode 3200 and Episode 0966. —Scott (talk) 05:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the color discussion, this page is what I use for color names. I can't vouch for all browsers, but I think they work for everyone. -- Danny (talk) 12:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I made a couple changes to the templates -- I changed the word "gathered" to "compiled" in two of Scott's templates, and I took out the word "available" in the CTW archives one.

I think we could combine Guillermo's two templates -- there's not much difference between "Noggin's edits are currently unknown" and "Most of Noggin's edits are currently unknown". We can use "Noggin's edits are currently unknown" to stand in for both. I like that text more than Scott's "This episode guide omits segments cut from the Noggin version", which sounds like we've omitted those segments deliberately.

My vote would be to use SSguide-ctw, SSguide-missing and Incomplete-N, with all three in the pinkish color. -- Danny (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I shortened the wording on the Noggin template so that it's less clunky. —Scott (talk) 13:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Cool. I like SSguide-noggin and SSguide-missing very much.
I think SSguide-ctw looks weird, because the page layout on those pages is very different. On the Noggin and missing pages, there's a picture on the left, and the box sits very comfortably under that picture. On the CTW archives pages, it's just sitting there on the top of the page, essentially surrounding the text with boxes.
So I tried a few other options. The box is at the top of the page on Episode 0966, and at the bottom on Episode 0965.
I also created another box, Template:SSguide-ctw2, which is on the right hand side, with the episode box and the picture. I tried a few placements for it -- at the top of the right side on Episode 0960, in the middle on Episode 0961, and at the bottom on Episode 0964.
I think it works better on the right side, even at the risk of making that side even longer. It frees the text up to breathe a little. Of the three positions, my preference is for the bottom, but I'm versatile. -- Danny (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't like the right side box. That space is getting too crammed as it is. I think it works better as seen on Episode 0965. It's not entirely consistant with SSguide-noggin and SSguide-missing, but at least more so than the right box. Plus it doesn't clutter up that space. —Scott (talk) 15:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I can live with that. Anybody else got a comment? -- Danny (talk) 17:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Although now that I look at it again, I think it looks much cleaner to have the box on the right side. I don't see it as "crammed", just organized. Our standard page layout is to have boxes/pictures on the right, and text on the left. So I think putting the box on the right makes it look more consistent with all the other pages. -- Danny (talk) 03:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it looks better in the article, but if there's a consensus to keep it on the right for the CTW articles, I can live with it. I think the placement of the disclaimer in the Noggin episodes have set a standard and it makes sense to me to keep it there. —Scott (talk) 17:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the layout is really different between the Noggin pages and the archives episode pages. The Noggin pages have a picture on the top left, so the box tucks in nicely between the top picture and the table. The archives pages don't have a top left picture or a table, so the box just sits out there. I'm not sure we've got a consensus, cause apparently only the two of us are commenting, but if you can live with it on the right, then I'm happy with that. Does anybody else have a comment about it? -- Danny (talk) 19:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Considering neither having the template at the very bottom nor on the right is the same placement as on the Noggin pages, I'd go for the right. Plus, while it may well be permanent in most cases, there is the possibility at some point that the episodes will surface, and the box removed entirely, while outside of DVD releases, it's harder to know what Noggin cut. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 20:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I can do with the CTW version on the right. Should we make it in italics to match the others? —Scott (talk) 21:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I know I'm probably being a dick by saying this, but I like it better without italics. I think it matches better with the episode box. -- Danny (talk) 23:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
You're such a dick. —Scott (talk) 23:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
True dat. -- Danny (talk) 23:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

incomplete guides

I've noticed that we've got a few different ways of addressing that an episode guide is incomplete when we only have some of the segments available to us. Some of the time it's because Noggin made cuts and we don't know what was left out. I've just acquired a handful of episodes that have some material omitted that I'm sure someone will eventually fil inthe blanks for. In the meantime, I was thinking of coming up with a template for these pages that would place a small inobtrusive box on the page that very plainly states that the guide isn't complete. Would anyone oppose that? —Scott (talk) 03:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice this question... That sounds good to me. Are you going to make that box? -- Danny (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but I wasn't going to bother if there wasn't interest. If there is, I'll get to it. —Scott (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
It sounds like a good idea to me. -- Brad D. (talk) 01:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I forgot about this until now. I tried this out on Episode 3696. Tweaks? Suggestions? Perhaps a link to a page about incomplete guides explaining any number of reasons why a guide may be incomplete? Or, good and simple the way it is? —Scott (talk) 01:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't really think it would belong in the Noggin episode guides. Also, try a different color - that one's ugly. (HA! Shoot down MY Noggin-edit color idea, will ya?) --MuppetVJ 02:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I like it. It's effective and looks pretty (nice color choice). I don't know if we need an "incomplete guide" page, since all variants aside, it comes down specifically to the fact that we don't have access to certain episodes either as a whole or as originally broadcast. -- 02:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't mind changing the color if someone has a better choice. The idea here would be to use it for ANY Sesame Street episode guide that's incomplete. —Scott (talk) 02:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
And that's what I don't like, because for the Unpaved guides, there needs to be a specific explanation WHY the guide is incomplete. And not everyone is going to be smart enough to find that out on the series page. --MuppetVJ 02:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. That's why I suggested a link to a policy page that explains why some episodes are incomplete. In the case of the Noggin eps, we explain that it's due to the edits they made. The wording on a bunch of pages that claims the guide isn't complete hasn't really been consistant, so I think using a template will help with that. Plus it's a great tool to track which episodes we have that aren't complete by checking What Links Here instead of potentially trying to track it in a category. —Scott (talk) 02:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it needs to specifically say why the guide is incomplete, there on the page. If it just says "This guide is incomplete", then it kind of looks like we're announcing that we suck. I like the color, although it does stand out -- if you're looking for unobtrusive, then that isn't it. -- Danny (talk) 03:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that's workable. I can adjust the template to make it dynamic. So the Noggin ones would say it's incomplete because Noggin made cuts. What should the guides say for episodes where I only have half an episode from a tape trade? —Scott (talk) 03:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
That's a good question. I'll get back to you. -- Danny (talk) 03:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
For incomplete non-Noggin episode guides, it could say "The author of this guide does not have a complete copy of this episode." And for CTW Archive descriptions, it could say "Description courtesy of the CTW Archives, with minor corrections added." --MuppetVJ 02:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
The text on the new test template is fine, but I don't like the use of black. It's worse than the pink, in terms of both distraction, and having to highlight to read the text, and the blue Noggin text thus sticks out like neon. Something in between, like grey, would work better. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 02:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I like the muted yellow of Template:Incomplete-N2 much better than the bright yellow of Template:Incomplete-N‎. Can somebody list all the incomplete templates that are currently under discussion? I'm not sure that I know all of them. -- Danny (talk) 03:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Um, black text on a black background doesn't work. I agree with Andrew that a light grey would work better. And viewable. I agree with the Noggin and CTW Archive descriptions, but there's got to be a better wording for the guides for which contributors don't have a complete copy of. —Scott (talk) 03:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
What?! It's not a black background! For Template:Incomplete-N‎ I selected a yellow ochre (FC0), and for Template:Incomplete-N2 I chose a lighter yellow (FF9). Are you telling me that black is showing up instead of these colors (which I can see on my end)? --MuppetVJ 03:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, both look black on my browser (I'm using Internet Explorer), with just a yellow line at the bottom. I can't read anything without highlighting. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey weird, it's black in Opera and IE but orange and yellow in Firefox. I can fix that later. What do we think about the wording for the three variants? —Scott (talk) 03:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Note on tables

Hi, I just wanted to say something that's been on my mind for a while. If you add an episode table with descriptions, but don't include screencaps, that's fine -- but please, make sure the descriptions are descriptive enough so that I or whoever else is looking can pinpoint the sketch and which image to put there. Sometimes I see ambiguous descriptions such as "Man talks about letter H" and only someone with the episode can tell what that is. Be practical and write ones that make it easy for us to recognize it when we spot it in another episode. We can simplify them after we add pictures. --Hilleyb 16:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. I've still got some PBS Sprout episodes to go through for screenshots, so more descriptive summaries would be great. —Scott (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm glad you posted about it. If people post vague descriptions from now on, I think it would also be worthwhile to post a note on their talk page, in case they miss this. -- Danny (talk) 17:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Of course, some sketches (especially animated or live action ones involving letters or numbers) are hard to describe. --Minor muppetz 17:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
That's true. So we just do our best. -- Danny (talk) 19:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Test Show and Preview

Now that we have pages for Sesame Street Test Show 01 and This Way to Sesame Street, I was wondering if we should cite sketches from those as "Earliest known appearances" or if the earliest known appearances listed should continue to be the earliest known appearance in a regular episode. I think that we should continue using earliest known appearances regarding actual episodes of the series, as opposed to those two productions, but what do others think? --Minor muppetz 23:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I think EKA should be the actual episodes -- but on a song or sketch page, it's good to also note that the insert was part of the test shows. I think the way it's done on Number Song Series is good -- "Song of Two" is listed as first appearing in 0001, and also has a note about being in the first test show. -- Danny (talk) 01:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

reliable references

I forgot I had these bookmarked. The first is an episode list with descriptions on Kentucky Ed TV's website, taken from TV listing provided by CTW and PBS. It goes as far back as Season 31 with episode descriptions. The 2nd link doesn't go as far back, but it has additional notes such as infrequent mentions of Elmo's World episodes. —Scott (talk) 00:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, fab. I'm gonna start making episode pages. -- Danny (talk) 00:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I just added all of Season 31 -- Episode 3851 through Episode 3915. If anybody else wants to pick it up from there, feel free, cause I'm sick of it. -- Danny (talk) 03:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

unsourced references

Back in May, user Hunterseamster posted a bunch of SS episode descriptions which were ultimately deemed unreliable due to lack of communication with the community. As I've been catching a few episodes on PBS Sprout On Demand, most of the descriptions have matched up with what we have archived on the talk pages for the respective seasons. I'm posting the links to those pages here for easier access, as well as a link to a MuppetCentral.com thread from two years ago by a kid who was trying to start his own episode guide. Fan forum discussions can't be used as areliable source, but Guillermo was involved in te process, and I trust his information.

I made some comparisons between the MC list and the lists posted here by Hunterseamster, notably when looking for Slimey-heavy episodes, and found some discrepancies. However, I may not have enough information about the episodes, as I've observed that quite a few SS episodes have been repeats. So take these "resources" with a grain of salt, and only as a loose starting point for tracking down verifiable information. —Scott (talk) 17:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The Season 32 episodes can be confirmed on the Sesame Beat website (but the addresses are wrong--there's an extra "episodes" that should be deleted). -- MuppetDude 17:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I want to point out that those contributions weren't just deemed unreliable because of lack of communication. There were some items that were clearly false -- "Dr. Teeth Plot", "Barney Plot", etc. So I would say use two grains of salt. -- Danny (talk) 18:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh wow, I didn't notice those. Two grains indeed. —Scott (talk) 18:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Color Coding

I'm not sure if we had a discussion about this and I missed it, but I'm finding the color coding on the Sesame Street episodes very frustrating. I can't tell what the different colors mean, and from what I can tell, the application isn't exactly consistent. Also, I find that that the colors are distracting and draw my eye to skits that don't seem to otherwise deserve undue attention. Personally, I preferred the method by which sketches cut or edited for Noggin/DVD releases were noted as such. Any other opinions? -- Peter (talk) 16:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Guillermo just started adding it, and Danny, Scott, and Brad discussed it a little on his talk page, but that's it, so I can see how it might take one aback. Since it seemed to be accepted, I followed suit on Sesame Street Pitch Reel. It doesn't bother me much, but I fully agree that there needs to be some code or color key if we're going to continue using this, so we know what means what (I couldn't keep track when trying to do the Pitch Reel, and Gullermo changed some things; if it's going to be fully integrated, both editors and casual readers need to know how it works).. Personally, I think it works very well on things like the Pitch Reel, where there's considerable differences between the two... things added, things altered, things removed... and likewise for the DVD stuff. But for simple Noggin omissions, it does tend to draw attention to a handful of skits. With the Pitch Reel, I think it's easy to argue that the changes are significant or at least notable; some of the omitted scenes are compensated by the new ending (though I find myself suspecting the cut on the "Alphabet" short may have been made on the DVD, not sure). With some of the others, I dunno. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 16:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
OK. I see the discussion now. I still don't like the color coding, though.
I understand that, for some of these older episodes, the Noggin and Old School versions are the most accessible. But they're not the Platonic versions of the Sesame Street episodes, and highlighting cut or altered sketches with colors seems to draw undue attention to those particular sketches.
If people are just skimming the page, the first thing they'll see is some minor sketch or a sketch that wasn't even in the original episode ("W is for Worm" and "A Little Bit at the Beginning," respecitvely, on Episode 0001). And if they're reading all the way through, then they'll definitely see the Notes in the sketch boxes anyway, without having to be distracted by the colors.
Also, for sketches that "replaced" original sketches on edited versions ("A Little Bit at the Beginning," for example), I propose that we have an added section at the bottom of the page entited ==Edits== that can present the sketches in question in table format and indicate when and where they were used. -- Peter (talk) 19:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I share the concerns that have been expressed thus far. The color coding, I feel, is unnecessary and draws more attention to arbitrary segments and the negative characteristics of an episode (i.e., deleted segments) than might be desirable. It doesn't bother me enough to find it intolerable, but then again I wouldn't mind if it was removed or, at the very least, used more judiciously. --Andrew T. 03:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I thought that "W is for Worm" was originally in the first episode (and I thought both showings of it were originally there). --Minor muppetz 03:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I hadn't really thought about how it draws attention to those sketches -- now that I read that, I think you're right. I'll leave a message on Guillermo's talk page, and ask for his input on this. -- Danny (talk) 19:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the color coding is important because just that mere italicized sentence isn't enough to make the edit stand out. I hate it when everyone disagrees with me.--MuppetVJ 01:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the colors make the edits stand out…but I don't know if making the edit stand out is important. Although the Noggin versions are the most commonly found in the tape-trading community, and the Noggin package is a notable part of Sesame history; I'm not sure if the changes made for Noggin are as important to make "jump-off" and be brought so predominantly to the forefront the page, in the grand scheme of the episode page. We don't use different color font to note the sketches and changes in the "Original", "UK", "DVD", "Nickelodeon", "Odyssey" and other edits of "the Muppet Show" episodes. Noting the edit variations and changes is alright, but I'm not sure if making the Noggin cuts, Old School DVD, or other variations, stand out is important. As Andrew said it brings attention to a negative and minor fact. The Sesame Street Unpaved package (which ran for 4-years) is nice to note on each page and the Old School DVDs are out there, but in the grand scheme of the history of Episode 1839 is having the cuts from the Noggin package be in the forefront so important?, I think it brings too much focus on something that should be more of a footnote on the episode's total account and historic record. Just my two cents. -- Brad D. (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
That made me feel really sad. --MuppetVJ 02:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
G, I'm sorry that it makes you feel sad when people disagree with you. Still, it's part of working as a collaboration -- people are going to have different ideas about how to do things. Getting your idea voted down happens to all of us; it's happened to me plenty of times. Sometimes, I come up with an idea that everybody loves. Sometimes, I try something that the others don't like, and I get talked out of it. Every once in a while, the idea that I'm trying is something that I really think is fantastic, and it hurts when it gets voted down. But I have to suck it up; that's just part of working in a collaboration.
The thing that we're discussing is actually a pretty minor question: Are the Noggin edits a really important aspect of the episode guide page, or a minor aspect? Apparently, you think that they're a major thing that needs to get highlighted. Can you tell us more about why you feel those are so important? Maybe there's something that other people aren't understanding. -- Danny (talk) 02:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Check your email. --MuppetVJ 02:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it's important that the edits and changes to an episode as broadcast on TV re-runs and released on DVD are important, but shouldn't stand out too much. I think episodes should be structured as they were originally aired, and any alterations should be listed separately -- either as a footnote to that table cell, or in a list after the table. — Scott (talk) 01:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
What about something like the Pitch Reel, though, which never aired but does exist in two versions, with demonstrable additions and removals on both? A seperate table cell, or just everything ordered as is, but with text notes? The latter would probably work best, but it is a jumble (and there's at least a couple edits that I'm not sure were done for the DVD release, and not for the second version, but that may not matter anyway without concrete proof). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

How about taking the color out, but noting the edits in the table cells in bold instead of italics? That would make the edits stand out, but not overwhelm the rest of the page. -- Danny (talk) 14:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 19:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Since we haven't had any other comments on this, I'm going to suggest that we take the color coding out, and leave the note about the edits in bold. -- Danny (talk) 01:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

UCLA

Episode 0044 and Episode 0132 are available at the UCLA Film & Television Archive. I'm not sure if that merits pages for those episodes yet, but it may be something worth looking into. -- Hilleyb 16:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I say that once somebody can view those episodes, and take good detailed notes on what's included, then it can warrent a page. Or even if soembody can view them, write downa basic plot (if there is one), and list notable sketches (or whatever that person can remember was in the episodes). --Minor muppetz 03:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Episode navigation

Peter's adding episode navigation boxes for all of the Sesame episodes. I think that makes sense for the later seasons, when we actually have information on every episode. For the earlier episodes, though, I think they'll always be redlinks. We have Episode 0158 because it was part of the Sesame Unpaved package, but it's possible that we'll never have information on Episode 0157 or Episode 0159.

What do you guys think about changing the ep-nav boxes to reflect the actual episodes that we have information on? For example, the box on Episode 0158 could say "Previous Episode: Episode 0131" and "Next Episode: Episode 0162". -- Danny (talk) 13:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that works. And we can always adjust the epnav links if we get information on additional episodes. -- Peter (talk) 13:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, absolutely. -- Danny (talk) 14:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Subcategory proposal

I'm interested in episodes with unconventional sponsors in addition to the letter(s) and number(s) of the day. Several of those sponsors--such as talking fruits, shapes, and words--have appeared in Muppet form; I think this justifies "Unusual sponsors" as a subcategory of Sesame Street episodes. If we restricted the list to episodes which keep Muppets visibly involved with the strange closing announcement, would this be suitable? Two examples of the episode type I had in mind:

  • Episode 3154--Biff and Sully name Little Boy Blue's horn as a fourth sponsor
  • A late 1990s episode (not listed here)--Oscar is pestered by Muppet animations of words which act like the things they name; one of the words ("dog") is mentioned as a fourth sponsor

--Ingeborg 23:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

That's only two examples, certainly not enough for a subcategory. Plus, we don't do subcategories of episode guides anyway. I know sponsorship appears to fascinate you, but for the most part, it doesn't us. The things you mention are about on the same level as, say, the Hatrack on The Muppet Show. A fun gag credit, and we even gave him a character page, but that is it. If you're insistent, and as long as you're *certain* of your claims (not just relying on fuzzy memory), it could go as a list in Category:Sesame Street Lists. But that's all it would be. Andrew Leal (talk) 00:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
You do make valid points on both the importance and others' interest in the category (a list would indeed be enough, at most). More on my user talkpage tomorrow... --Ingeborg 01:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Attention

There's a simple thing that I'd like to get done on these episode pages, but it's a bit time-consuming, so I'm hoping that somebody can help me out.

Right now, these episodes are alphabetized under the first digit in their number, so there's episodes under O, 1, 2, 3 and 4 -- which don't really correspond to anything. I'd like to have them all alphabetized as blank, like the ones that I've already done on the left there.

The way that you do that is just to add a space in the category tag. Instead of

[[Category:Sesame Street Episodes|0001]],

it should be

[[Category:Sesame Street Episodes| 0001]].

So the thing is just to go through each of the episode pages and add a space in there. It's not hard, but there's a lot of pages. Can anybody help? -- Danny (talk) 14:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Unknown Episodes

Does anyone know what these episodes are called. I want ot add them. One is when the Sesame Street sign breaks and the other is when the Monsters celebrate "Monster Day", much to Big Bird's dismay. -- Big V 22:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I had two tapes of Sesame Street episodes from the 80's.

The first one consists of:

  • Opening credits
  • Near and Far(Big Bird and Snuffy try to play baseball, but Alice is in their way
  • Cartoon: W wash
  • Ernie and Bert: Guessing game(hiding parts of the body with socks-ears and nose)
  • Song(film): ME
  • cartoon-had something to do with rectangles(forgot)
  • Grover and a boy talk about "love"
  • In/Out(stop-motion film of a man going in and out of a barn)
  • Song: Write it Down(sung by Gordon, Maria and Luis and features Forgetful Jones)
  • Short film(all I remember was a faucet...and music)

...(after some other recorded shows on the tape) -Monsterpiece Theater: The Forty Thieves(the very end) -Pinball cartoon: 12

The second one consists of: (the first minutes of this episode have been cut out because something else was recorded over it)

  • Film: Construction site
  • Elmo and Telly talk about what "welcome" means
  • Cartoon: Cat with telephone
  • Two-Headed Monster: telephone
  • Other skits that follow, yet forgot what order they went, are as follows:
  • Same/different
  • Forgetful Jones and some kids talk about "subtraction"
  • Racecars/spies cartoon(forgot which number)
  • Maria and Luis on an island; Bob comes along with two paddles and they row the island as if it were a boat
  • Short film of kids in(daycare? school?)playing some counting game(jumping onto circles and singing "One for the money, Two for the show..."
  • Mother Goose tries to come up with a new rhyme(An Old Woman who lives in a shoe)
  • Song: Listen to the Wind Blow(Olivia)
  • Typewriter guy: V-vacumm
  • Ernie and Bert: Who took Bert's cookies?(turns out it was Cookie Monster dressed as Ernie)
  • Cartoon: Small V: Va-va-voom!
  • Big Bird imagines Barkley as the world's greatest counting dog(Bob, Maria, Gordon and Oscar appear in his dream sequence)
  • Witch tells two boys a story about the letter A(the moral being "Archers who steal ants' apples get bitten on the ankle")
  • short film w/ horse galloping, clock ticking, and marching band playing "Yankee Doodle"
  • Simon Soundman asks Ernie if he can use his phone
  • Conductor asks for a few notes until he asks for an "a", in which a giant lower-case letter a falls from the ceiling
  • Grover and Prairie Dawn: Sharing
  • Insert? Blue/red?(memory's fuzzy on this one)
  • Closing: Elmo and Telly say goodbye(Forgetful Jones' voiceover is heard, announcing the letter/numbers that sponsored the episode with credits(Barkley and the kids)

...there may be some skits I forgot to mention. If yes, let me know.

I also had tapes of some episodes from the 1990's, as well as the "Opening Shot" special, which I will post about later.

So does anyone here know more about the two episodes which I posted?

MasterYoshi 15:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to your question, but I have been wondering if we should add a page, possibly in the Current Events section, where we write about episodes that we do not the the numbers for. Similar to Name That Puppet. What does everybody else think? --Minor muppetz 04:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that's a good idea. If you know what you want to call the page, then go ahead and create it! -- Danny (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Should I add a page like that in the Current events section, or include something like that here in the Sesame Street Episodes section, or add a page for it somewhere else in the website? I'm thinking "Number That Sesame Street Episode" would be a good title. --Minor muppetz 13:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Article

This article has more rare episode info:

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1542-734X.2006.00270.x?cookieSet=1

As for the weird dates, it could be some kind of reel filing date or just sloppy organization. The descriptions for Episode 0131 and Episode 0135 (logically the Season 2 closing from Old School: Volume 1) seem to be correct. -- user:Hilleyb 02:32, November 9, 2006

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