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Sesame Street - Music From The Street

I just found on the internet this blog has Sesame Steet record album called "Sesame Street - Music From The Street" from "Fraykerbreaks" label which you can download. I was wonderong is this album bootleg? and it's worth mentioning on Muppet Wiki? What do you think? Link: [|Sesame Street - Music From The Street] - MuppetDanny 22.46, 1st April 2009

Those images look Photoshopped to me. —Scott (talk) 21:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
So is it worth mentioning on Muppet Wiki? -- MuppetDanny (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
That's just my observation. If we can confirm it was a real product, we should include it here. —Scott (talk) 22:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I just downloaded the zip file and the images are obviously Photoshopped. So there's no way this was a real album. The audio files also don't sound like recordings from the 1970s. My guess is this is a compilation of someone's original music that they're trying to pass off as Sesame source music. Guillermo or Tony might be able to tell better than I could. Maybe it is music from Sesame films, but the album is fake. —Scott (talk) 22:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a bootleg/fan thing. I thought at first it was music from Sesame films, but I think it's actually just music inspired by the Sesame films. It's cute, but not worth a wiki page. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 23:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, a lot of that music has been used in films. Afrocat and Recess come from Billy Jo Jive, and "Little Miss Bristol" appears in a film where a blind lady explains how she crosses the street. The Beat Moves On appears in a cartoon from episode 1037, and Thinks comes from one of Owe Gustafson's animations. Emergency comes from a Ray Favata animation. It's a great album, but as Danny said, not worth putting on the Wiki as it does appear to be a fake. -- MuppetDude 14:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
You forgot one: "USA Groove" was used in this cartoon. --MuppetVJ 17:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
D'oh! -- MuppetDude 21:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Talking albums

I'm still going through the load of SS records I got in Seattle, but I'm kind of stuck. What do I do with talking albums like Sesame Street Story Time, The Sesame Street Fairy Tale Album, and Big Bird presents Hans Christian Andersen? I played them all, but I don't know how to proceed.

I'm pretty sure Sesame Street Story Time is all TV soundtracks, but most of them aren't built yet. If I build a page, it'll be pretty short. If you click on the ones that are done, they're supposed to be pretty detailed. Do I make a "temporary sketch page", until somebody can figure out when it aired, and add pictures?

The Sesame Street Fairy Tale Album sounds like a record-only "concept album", so does each story get a "sketch page"? Based on some old discussions about Miss Piggy's Aerobique Exercise Workout Album, some people seem to feel that a talking album that has tracks that were only issued once, and weren't part of anything else, shouldn't have a page for each track. So I don't want to do a lot of work on this one if you guys would rather I didn't get that detailed.

And Big Bird presents Hans Christian Andersen is the strangest one of all. It's Big Bird telling Andersen's stories to Oscar, but between every story, a choir performs songs from the Danny Kaye movie! It's like 2 completely different albums are spliced together, since Big Bird never sings. Since the songs aren't Muppet material, I have no idea whether I should do sketch pages for the stories, but skip the songs, or do song pages since it was an SS production. Sorry this was kind of long. I tried to keep it short. Thanks for your help! -- Ken (talk) 04:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's my opinion on it.
Sesame Street Story Time -- since those are TV soundtracks, create sketch pages for them, using the same format as the ones that have been made. (We need to make those pages anyway.) Like you say, somebody will figure out when the episodes and pictures and everything; just add what you can from the album.
For the other albums, I think you follow the Aerobique model -- put everything on the album page. There isn't much that you can say about the Hans Christian Andersen tracks on separate pages. I think the same thing applies to Getting Ready for School, which is another concept album.
Anybody else want to chime in? -- Danny (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Danny; the concept ones don't need pages for each track. -- Wendy (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Category branching

I was wondering why the link to the singles is inside the albums category. That doesn't make sense to me. I think the whole discography category page should have SS albums, SS singles, and the combined Muppet LP/45/CD list. Then, we should change the name of the current SS album picture list from SS Discography to SS Albums. Does that make sense? Let me know. Thanks. -- Ken (talk) 00:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the article as Sesame Street Discography, so that Sesame Street Albums can be a redirect to the Sesame Street Albums category.
I'm not sure what you mean about the Discographies category -- it already does have the articles that you mentioned. -- Danny (talk) 01:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think Ken is thinking that singles aren't "albums" in that sense. But here, we're basically using "albums" as a catch-all for all audio product, regardless of how much is on there. So I also don't think any changes should be made. If it's really confusing to hardcore record buffs, we can always add a note to the page. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

"Knockoff" albums

I was just wondering why the Disneyland album is included in the listing. I seem to remember reading somewhere people discussing about whether to include Peter Pan, Disneyland, and other records that don't have original cast members on them. I forgot if that ever got resolved. I would propose making an entire separate area for stuff that's not "real" Sesame product. -- ErnieBert 10:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point -- we never did resolve that question. -- Danny (talk) 00:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I vote that we start a "Sesame Street Knockoff Albums" category, for all unnapproved albums. --Minor muppetz 01:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm utterly against that term. I know we came up with a better phrase somewhere. Very few of these were "knockoffs" in the sense of being completely unlicensed. More often, like with Disneyland, they just paid the rights for use of the songs and did their own thing with them. They deserve their own category, I agree, and aren't "real" in the sense that they don't involve Muppets or cast members, but I think "knockoff" is too pejorative for most of the examples. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 01:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Andrew. I didn't mean to call them "knockoffs" like we'd normally think of that term. I just find it ironic that, after what I've read about Walt Disney Records, that when Sesame Street came along 3 years after Walt died, and was such a smash hit, they seem to have felt threatened by the sudden challenge to their near-monopoly on the kids' market. So in what seems to be an attempt to "cash in" on the craze, Disney put these out, and so parents bought their kids these just from seeing "Sesame Street" on the cover (and my parents bought me these, too, but I was only 1, so I couldn't tell them they got the wrong ones!). Anyway, you're right, they're more like "cover version" albums, and they're not that bad (although it's a trip to hear Thurl Ravenscroft sing "Green"). And actually, in Disney's case, they must have gotten along with CTW, because in 1973 Bob McGrath made an album ON Disneyland Records, which I'd like to add somewhere, maybe to the main list, because his Affinity and A&M albums are there. Anyway, if everybody's okay with it, I can start working on something, and maybe call it, "Albums of Sesame Street Songs by Other Artists", or something like that. Let me know what you think. Thanks! -- ErnieBert 08:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
One thing which we've discussed is how to divide the category so they don't necessarily exclude Bob and Susan albums. One suggestion I have would be "Non-CTW Sesame Street Albums," or something. With a more precise definition, so it would cover the Disneyland album and more questionable things like Irwin Sings Sesame Street (which *might* be a knockoff, in all senses, but it's hard to be sure), anything which doesn't directly involve the actual Sesame cast or crew. If we want to *also* include those cast albums which were non-CTW, like Bob or Susan, we can discuss that later; for me, as long as they're performed by the cast member and include Sesame Street songs, they could go in the main list. Things like Bob McGrath Sings for All the Boys and Girls, the Disneyland album with a mix of Disney tunes and pop songs, no Sesame content, are iffier; worth covering on the Wiki, I think but I wouldn't include it with the CTW albums. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 19:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course defined that way then there's the dilemma of the CTW released completely non Sesame in all other respects Anne Murray Sings for the Sesame Street Generation. I think there will always be something. However, perhaps instead of "Non-CTW", we could just call it "Sesame Street Related Albums", which could include related by performer or related by song origin. -- Wendy (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm. I kind of like keeping Anne Murray in as an oddity, but "Sesame Street Related Albums" is probably the best title so far. What does everyone else think? -- 19:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I like Sesame Street Related Albums. That's a good, non-judgemental name. -- Danny (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that "Unofficial Sesame Street Albums" would also make a good title. Do the albums have anything that state whether Sesame Workshop gave permission for the albums to be released using the Sesame Street name? I have a feeling that the makers of Songs from Sesame Street didn't get permission from Sesame Workshop, since Sesame Workshop doens't own any of those songs, but then the album does list episode numbers for episodes featuring those songs, which probably wouldn't have been easy back then, unless the makers of the album had access to the CTW archives back then, or unless the people at the record companya ctually watched the show and kept track of episode numbers and what was in those episodes. --Minor muppetz 04:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
(I feel like I'm typing those dots in Episode 0001.) How about if anything performed by a cast member (Bob and Susan) would be called "Sesame Street Related Albums", and anything on Peter Pan and Disneyland (and I'm sure there are others) would be called "Unofficial Sesame Street Albums"? -- Ken (talk) 06:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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