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I like the idea of grouping these things together, but I'm not sure how I feel about the approach. For one, all save the still nascent The Muppet Workshop are already in real world locations. Secondly, I don't want to have to mess with the category description, which emphasizes locations as featured in the Muppet universe; even the real world locations are largely positioned through that lens. We don't include Attractions in this category. Since this seems likely to be finite, could this just be turned into a list, in either Attractions or Behind the Scenes? I don't mean to sound fussy, and I fully admit this is a personal reaction to what looks a little redundant to me. Still, it's worth bringing up, since in a related issue, another alternative would be to include this as a subcat of real world locations, which is now certainly large and diverse enough to support being split up, but it's kind of nice to see South Dakota and The Sun grouped together. So, stuff to ponder. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 04:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I see your point. "Real World Locations" is full of a lot of things bigger then the Muppets/Henson, with the articles focusing on the Muppet/Henson connections/references -- things like Ohio, China and the Moon. The articles in here are in themselves "connected". I think maybe changing the category to "Production Locations" or "Behind the Scenes Locations" might work... but I think keeping it as a category is decent (there are also creature shops and other locations that could be added). I wouldn't add these to "attractions" as many are/were not "open to the public" as an attraction. -- Brad D. (talk) 05:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I like the sound of "Production Locations." Kaufman Astoria Studios, strictly speaking, isn't a Henson Company location and the label bothers me a bit, but I also feel it only makes sense to group it with the Muppet Workshop, Henson Townhouse, etc. And we can add Shepperton Studios to the list. Part of my concern (and actually a good reason to pull these out of Real World Locations if they have a second home) is that Locations is generally focused on the "fictional" universe, which is why I mentioned Attractions, not to suggest a melding; even the topics on China and Russia, while detailing co-productions and such, are largely about how the countries have appeared or been portrayed in productions. Outside of the Muppet Workshop, that doesn't apply to this other stuff. I know we tend to mix real and fictional on theme pages and such, but here, it just seemed off. We include Disneyland as a real world location because it's been used as a setting, but we don't treat Sesame Place that way. Still, if we rename it (mostly because, re the studios and such, "Henson Company" is a misnomer, I think), and maybe add a colon or something to move it to the top of the category, so I don't suddenly see it after Dog City and Fraggle Rock, I'd be more comfortable. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- "Production Locations" sounds good to me. Basically it would be a place for all the articles on behind the scenes locations. Also if you want to work on tweaking the "Real World Locations" description/definition, go ahead (it's really grown and taken on a life of its own since we started it). -- Brad D. (talk) 06:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah. Just at a glance, we could subdivide by States, Countries, Cities, and Celestial Bodies (and Buildings or something for Sardi's, Graumann's, etc.) I may take a closer look and raise a talk question on that tomorrow. Especially as I'm planning to add Portugal soon (which in addition to the co-productions, was used extensively for filming Gulliver's Travels; the DVD notes even specify, in many cases, which palaces were used for which fictional land). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 06:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- "Production Locations" sounds good to me. Basically it would be a place for all the articles on behind the scenes locations. Also if you want to work on tweaking the "Real World Locations" description/definition, go ahead (it's really grown and taken on a life of its own since we started it). -- Brad D. (talk) 06:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I like the sound of "Production Locations." Kaufman Astoria Studios, strictly speaking, isn't a Henson Company location and the label bothers me a bit, but I also feel it only makes sense to group it with the Muppet Workshop, Henson Townhouse, etc. And we can add Shepperton Studios to the list. Part of my concern (and actually a good reason to pull these out of Real World Locations if they have a second home) is that Locations is generally focused on the "fictional" universe, which is why I mentioned Attractions, not to suggest a melding; even the topics on China and Russia, while detailing co-productions and such, are largely about how the countries have appeared or been portrayed in productions. Outside of the Muppet Workshop, that doesn't apply to this other stuff. I know we tend to mix real and fictional on theme pages and such, but here, it just seemed off. We include Disneyland as a real world location because it's been used as a setting, but we don't treat Sesame Place that way. Still, if we rename it (mostly because, re the studios and such, "Henson Company" is a misnomer, I think), and maybe add a colon or something to move it to the top of the category, so I don't suddenly see it after Dog City and Fraggle Rock, I'd be more comfortable. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)