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non-Muppet Parody Characters
What about creature and human characters that are parodies - such as - Robert Stack Dinosaur, Odd Job Dinosaur or Safari Animal Tracker (to name just a few)? The idea and spirit of the characters are the same as a Parody Muppet (such as Dr. Feel or Meryl Sheep) - to spoof and parody a specific person. But they aren't Muppets so it feels wrong to put them here. Should we create other categories (but I don't know if there are enough for a "Parody Humans" category)? Or should we rename this "Parody Characters" (and not worry about character type)? Or should we just not worry about denoting non-Muppet parody characters with a grouping? Thoughts. -- Brad D. (talk) 22:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I like this category idea. However, I'm not sure about how it ranks in relation to [[:Category:Spoofs]]. Should it be limited to puppets specifically crafted as caricatures of people, or should it also include those who spoof specific people, but the puppet is basically recycled with slight variation? (I'm thinking especially of H. Ross Parrot, which had existed as a random Sesame Street parrot since the early 80s, and Meryl Sheep)? --Andrew, Aleal 00:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, good point. Maybe we should have Caricature Muppets for characters built as a very specific celebrity, and then another for Parody Muppets to include Dr. Feel, Placido Flamingo, Meryl Sheep and Ross Parrot. What do you think? -- Scarecroe 00:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- I think Dr. Feel might be borderline, since while he's an Anything Muppet, the features and dressing suggest a more deliberate attempt at caricature, whereas the Ross Parrot puppet simply had a name change and a tie slapped on (as all the caricature was in his dialogue and Jerry Nelson's vocal impression). Maybe it would be easier to just redefine the category, as including Muppets who in appearance or personality, deliberately parody or caricature real-life personalities? (As distinct from Colambo or the Miami Mice, who are spoofs rather than caricatures, and rather vague ones at that). Not quite sure where this leaves Bob Hack (outside of his being a Dinosaur and thus a creature rather than a Muppet anyway). --Andrew, Aleal 00:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- You may also want to consider that some of the Charicature Muppets go in to a "gift" category. David Lazer's was a gift as was James Frawley's. Others were Jon Stone, Michael Eisner, Michael Caine...but I doubt that there are pix as they were given privately. You may find David Lazer in the Muppet Meeting Films. The Tim Curry puppet may have made it "on air" or in a documentary, but that was also a gift to the peformer. --Vard. "User:Vard 20:18. 29 January 2006
- Thanks for that, Vard. I had suspected that they made a Michael Caine Muppet, but didn't know about Michael Eisner and Jon Stone. I have a pic of the Jim Frawley Muppet around somewhere, and the David Lazer one was photographed professionally.
- As for the category, I'm not opposed to doing the caricatures and parodies together. If that's the case, we could just leave the category named the way it is and just specify "caricature" in the article. We could even make a list of those that are very specifically caricatures. -- Scarecroe 15:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- My opinion is to create a Caricature Muppets category, and include everybody who's currently on the list except for Dr. Feel. (It would also include the Country Trio folks, and the Marty Feldman Muppet from Episode 518.) I wouldn't call them Parody Muppets, because they're not making fun of the people -- they're more a tribute than a parody. Then H. Ross Parrot, Dr. Feel, and Meryl Sheep can all be in the Spoofs category.
- PS. I also don't think that puppets like Jim Frawley Muppet and Alice Cooper Muppet should be listed in the Muppet Characters category, because they're not really characters -- they didn't appear in any Muppet productions. I think those should be categorized as Caricature Muppets, and that's it. Paul Williams Muppet and Juliet Prowse Muppet would still be listed in Muppet Characters, because they appeared on the show. -- Danny Toughpigs 16:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- I mostly agree. Except "parody" doesn't have to mean making fun of people. I split the category in two and made Parody Muppets a sub-directory of Spoofs. -- Scarecroe 17:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)