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Solution?

I've got a possible solution to the "problem" that has been concerned here. What about keeping the stumpy pages as a catagorized redirect, but having them link to the references page from which they were inspired. For example, "The Rats' Patrol" would be categorized as a "Muppets Tonight Sketch", but would be redirected to The Rat Patrol (I've left "The Rats' Patrol" the same, to compare with how I incorporated the information in The Rat Patrol page). I just did the same with "While You Were Slapping" and While You Were Sleeping, "The Hardy Pig Boys" and The Hardy Boys, "Lash Holstein: Space Cowdet" and Flash Gordon, and also "City Schtickers" and City Slickers. The same could be done with "Muppet Hoo-Haw", "Flippers", "Bats: the Musical", etc.

Other articles with more substance, such as "Seinfeld Babies" and "The Kermit the Frog Club" could be left alone, and a good chunk of the articles here would be at least a little more fleshed out and have more substance, which I know is something we are aiming for now. -- Nate (talk) 18:35, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Great idea, that definitely works best for several of the parodies. However, many of those with the guest stars were actually part of a recurring motif. Clifford would say something along the lines of "This wasn't the first time our guest worked with the Muppets," and then you'd get an intentionally dated spoof, usually one per show. "The Muppet Odd-Squad," "Muppet Match-Up," "Muppet Hoo-Haw," "Muppet Bandstand," "The Kermit the Frog Club," and "The Lunarmooners" all fit into that category (and possibly "Flippers" and others, it's just not made clear on their current pages), and could be combined into one page (and I'm not sure there's not a few that weren't missed) if we can just figure out an appropriate name for it (I'll dig out the tapes some time and try to see if there's something in the introduction; otherwise, maybe something like "Guest Star Flashbacks" would work, since these are all allegedly vintage clips from the past.) Also, considering how sparse the page was, the "While You Were Slapping" merge was a good idea, but I think it would actually fall under Screen Tests (Muppets Tonight) (a movie parody presented as an alleged screentest featuring Muppets and the guest star). I'd have to check the episode (and get a screengrab) to be sure though. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 22:56, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Well I'll go ahead and keep putting information for the short pages on the reference pages. We can always go and pull that information for a "one-shot" Muppets Tonight page from them. -- Nate (talk) 23:39, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

One-shot sketches

Back in December 2005, I said that I didn't mind having these pages... But now it's three years later, and many of them haven't progressed at all, beyond a simple three-sentence description. Some of them have a nice picture and description, like The Kermit the Frog Club, but there are lots of others that are lame, like City Schtickers and While You Were Slapping.

I think maybe we should just have the recurring sketches in this category, like Great Moments in Elvis History and Pigs in Space: Deep Dish Nine. The information and pics for the one-shot sketches can go on the episode pages, which could use the help anyway. Anybody have an opinion about this? -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 22:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Since they're not on DVD (yet), do we know who has copies of these? Maybe they could help to expand them and put some pictures. I know these pages look short right now, but I'm hoping that someday we'll be able to have Muppets Tonight be as detailed as The Muppet Show. But I understand if you want to erase some pages until then. -- Ken (talk) 22:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I've got copies, and other people do too. I'm just thinking that it's been three years so far for most of these pages, and many of them haven't progressed very far. I don't want to erase the info that's there, but I don't think we need a page like NYPD Green, which is just one sentence that already exists on the episode page. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 00:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Can they be expanded into something like Cowboy Time? Right now, I can't think of any other Muppet Show one-shot sketches. I would say treat them the same way. I think the problem is not that they can't be made better, but it's just that nobody has yet. Maybe put the Attention tag on these? -- Ken (talk) 00:27, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I think I agree with Danny on this -- if in 3 years nobody has cared enough to fill in these pages, it's not going to happen anytime soon. Putting them onto the episode pages would allow people to continue to add info more slowly, and if they start getting bulky there we can split back off. -- Wendy (talk) 01:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
The Muppet Show sketches are divided between Muppet Show Recurring Sketches for the recurring ones and Muppet Show Sketches for well-written articles on notable one-time sketches. I think a similar division could help clean things up here.
We could move the recurring bits (like Tales from the Vet and The Eagle's Nest) into Muppets Tonight Recurring Sketches and leave all the others in here. Then go through and weed out (and delete) the undeveloped stubs left in here (such as City Schtickers and While You Were Slapping) and merge any info into their episode pages.
I think there are some good articles for a few of the one-off sketches (such as Seinfeld Babies and The Kermit the Frog Club) and I would like to see them kept. This category was initially populated in the early days of the wiki when anything with a title or name was getting a page (with the assumption that we'd fill it out later - now 3 years later and we haven't gotten to it). I think if it is a short stubs that give nothing more than the episode number and a one sentence summary is pretty pointless (and frustrating for readers) and can go (for now at least). -- Brad D. (talk) 08:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that's the way to go. I agree that The Kermit the Frog Club is a good page. It's the same with Category talk:Mother Goose Stories Episodes -- the good pages should definitely stay; it's just the undeveloped stub pages that we can delete until somebody has the time to develop them. -- Danny@Wikia (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Most of the stubs were added by Greg James way back. Looking at the list below, several of the one-shots could actually be merged, if we can agree on what to call the page, since they're actually the same kind of sketch. A running theme was to have a sketch with a guest star, prefaced by "This isn't the first time [blank] worked with the Muppets," or purporting to represent the first time the guest met the Muppets, which then becomes a parody of a long-canceled TV show presented via alleged archive clips. This applies to Muppet Match-up, The Kermit the Frog Club, The People's Court, The Lunarmooners, Muppet Bandstand, Muppet Hoo-Haw, and The Muppet Odd-Squad. I'm not sure exactly what to call the page itself without checking the tapes (or even checking them; maybe something like "Archive Guest Star Clips" or something?) While You Were Slapping is another uninformative page, but I *think* it actually fits under the Screen Tests (Muppets Tonight) category, have to check the episode. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 00:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sketch sorting

Recurring Sketches

Many of these, such as The Johnny Fiama Show and E-I-E-I-OR, are still stubs and could use expansion.


Non-Recurring Sketches (articles)

These articles have decent amount of text and images


Non-Recurring Sketches (stubs)

These articles are one/two sentence stubs with no additional information that would not fit on the episode page

Lots o' sketches

  • So, the text on the category page says, "Recurring sketches," but a lot of these are one-shots. Do we really need all the one-shots? Or how do we create subcategories? PrawnRR 02:14, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't mind having them all here. It's not like there were a lot of episodes for sketches to be recurring in. -- Toughpigs 02:16, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

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