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This discussion stalled last February, but looking at it again, I really don't think we need this category. The four items currently here are quite odd. I understand why Nate wanted this, but I just don't think it works as a category. There's Muppet dolls (Brass Key), which are the closest thing to "Muppet Dolls" in the sense of Barbie-like representations of Muppets that come with outfits. That item was formerly in Category:Muppet Toys. Famous Femmes du Histoire are porcelain figurines, large enough to qualify as dolls I suppose but meant to be displayed, not played with at all. Miss Piggy Paper Doll (Colorforms) is, well, a cardboard paper doll set, which doesn't fit in with the others at all. Finally, Madame Alexander dolls are clearly dolls, but not Muppet dolls (they just come with Muppet accessories or outfits). Looking at the discussion below, Nate questioned two items, which have plush bodies and hard plastic heads, as being dolls, but companies like Applause and the like made these all the time back in the day (before the shift to less plastic or even no plastic parts, for safety and possibly environmental reasons). So I'd like to just revert those four items to their previous categorizations. If anything, this could potentially be a fun list, but as a category, I don't think it works. -- User:Aleal 02:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 02:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

playing with dolls

This category was deleted quite awhile ago, but I resurrected it. My question is this: What distinguishes a [[:Category:Muppet Dolls|Doll]] from Plush? My case are the three items listed in the doll category. They are not plush by any means. And since Danny has encouraged more categories in Merchandise, I propose resurrecting this category. But I'm wondering if we can come to a consenses on what should be placed here. The following are in plush, but I would really consider them dolls: Muppet High dolls, Santa Kermit doll. LIkewise these are called dolls, but I would consider them plush: Muppet dolls (Fisher-Price). Comments from the general population? -- Nate (talk) 20:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, a plush doll in normally all soft and squishy (except for maybe the eyes or other little parts), such as a stuffed animal. Whereas a doll isn't all soft and stuffed, such as Barbie (which is all plastic) or a Cabbage Patch kid (which has a big all-plastic head).
And I would not consider Master Replicas' photo puppets plushes...however they are currently in there. -- Brad D. (talk) 21:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I think we should probably put everything in Dolls. It doesn't make sense to split those up based on their consistency. -- Danny (talk) 02:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I dunno. Right now, Plush also includes Muppet puppets (Ideal Toys) and I'd hesitate to call those dolls. And right now, this category itself is an odd mix of paper dolls, Madame Alexander dolls (which are dolls with Muppet-themed accessories or costumes, not dolls of Muppets), and so on, and I think lumping in Muppet stuffed animals would just make it more confusing and harder to browse through. And for consistency's sake, we'd have to mess with renaming/recategorizing Category:Sesame Street Plush, Category:Fraggle Rock Plush, and so on. Looking at the Fraggle category, most of those are labeled as "dolls" right now anyway, though. Should this discussion be moved to Current Events? Since unless we leave things as they are, then any change would basically involve overhauling *all* the related categories, tons of renaming, and so on, on a Wiki-wide scale. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 03:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a good idea. This is one of those situations where it might help to list all of the things that are (or could be) called Plush or Dolls, and figuring out what goes where. -- Danny (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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