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Category clean-up

Some of the pages in this category are great, with a synopsis, photos and the whole nine yards. Other pages only have a video release note, or nothing but the nursery rhyme. We don't have pages for every story on the Mother Goose Stories Episode List, so it seems pretty arbitrary.

I'd like to just include the pages that we have real info for. There are three different kinds of pages in this category, and this is what I'd like to do with them:

Good information -- keep the pages (obviously)

Just a video release -- delete the page, and note the video release on the Episode List

  • [[Duke of York]], [[Eensy Weensy Spider]], [[It's Raining, It's Pouring]], [[Jack & Jill]], [[Little Girl with a Curl]], [[Little Miss Muffet (Mother Goose Stories)|Little Miss Muffet]], [[Little Nut Tree]], [[Man in the Moon]], [[Mary's Little Lamb]], [[Old King Cole (Mother Goose Stories)|Old King Cole]], [[Pat-A-Cake]], [[Pussy Cat, Pussy Cat]], [[A Song of Sixpence]], [[Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star]], [[Willie Winkie]]

Just the nursery rhyme -- delete the page

  • [[Baa Baa Blacksheep]], [[Hector Protector]], [[Little Bo Peep (Mother Goose Stories)|Little Bo Peep]], [[Margery Daw]]

Obviously, this doesn't mean that we're discouraging people making good MGS episode pages. Brad has done an amazing job with the five full pages, like Tommy Tucker and Boy Blue, and they're really nice wiki pages. But creating these pages isn't necessarily Brad's big priority in life, and meanwhile we've got pages like [[Hector Protector]] hanging around just being a nursery rhyme. What do other folks think? -- Danny@fandom (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

My only objection to deleting them is that the message that "this page has been previously deleted" can be offputting to somebody who does want to make a page; however with an adequate delete summary it's probably ok. -- Wendy (talk) 01:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that's a really good point. I just changed that bit of text here: MediaWiki:Recreate-deleted-warn. I'm going to work on doing some MediaWiki cleanup for all of Wikia, and now that'll go on my list of unfriendly messages that we should clean up. But I've friendlied it up for us, and if you can think of a better way to say that, feel free to edit it!
And just for general knowledge -- Special:AllMessages has a list of every MediaWiki page -- I just discovered it last week. Turns out we can change practically any bit of text on the wiki; just search on that AllMessages page to find the page that controls it. Neat, yeah? -- Danny@fandom (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, with no other objections in the last week, I went ahead and deleted. I didn't see a good place to note the video releases on the Mother Goose Stories Episode List, but I added a "see also" for the Mother Goose Stories Videography, and vice versa. -- Danny@fandom (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


Is there a reason we're not prefixing these with episode numbers? -- Scott Scarecroe 15:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Brad made these pages, and I guess he created them as individual stories, rather than as episodes. Each episode of MGS has multiple stories, so really it should be "Episode 101: Little Jack Horner & Sing a Song of Sixpence" or whatever the case may be. I'd prefer it that way. -- Danny Toughpigs 15:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd prefer it that way as an episode guide, too. It's how we do Animal Show and Fraggle Animated. I'll alert Brad. -- Scott Scarecroe 16:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
According to Henson they say that there were "39 episodes made, each eight-minutes in length" (they don't say that there were 13 half-hour episodes). Each "story" was its own episode. They were produced as shorts, and were each seprate productions (unlike the two part Animal Show episodes). But airing them as 8-minute episodes was hard in the 30-minute programing world, so Disney would air three episodes together to fill the 30-minute block on TV. Each 8-minute episode was produced completely independently from each other (unlike, say the two 12-minute stories found on single Fraggle Rock (animated) episodes that were made to go together, they were produced together as a single production, and have always been paired together in all releases and airings). With Mother Goose Stories, however, the episodes were arbitrarily grouped for the Disney Channel broadcasts – and in fact, I've read that the international markets (such as Europe and Japan) aired them in different three episode groupings. Plus pre-"Disney-Channel" there were individual episodes released on video, but not as Episode 101: Pussy Cat, Pussy Cat & Little Bo Peep & Willie Winkle but rather just the single episode [[Pussy Cat, Pussy Cat]] with three other 8-minute episodes (but not Little Bo Peep and Willie Winkle). Listing the episode seprate (not in broadcast grouping) also greatly helps with the listings for all the videos and DVDs which feature individual episodes, but in no way follows any of the broadcast groupings. Although Little Miss Muffet, Jack Be Nimble and [[Peter, Peter Pumpkin Eater]] aired as part of the same half-hour program block when the show was on TV they were made as three completely different episodes and were never released together outside of Disney's airwaves.
The episode Humpty Dumpty was produced as the show's pilot (episode #1), but it was paired for broadcast with Dicky Birds (episode #24) and Rub A Dub Dub (episodes #25). Now with Fraggle Rock (animated) "A Growing Relationship" and " Where No Fraggle Has Gone Before" were both produced as [[Episode 101: A Growing Relationship / Where No Fraggle Has Gone Before|episode 101]] and are always episode 101 and always together (the were produced as the same episode, despite the fact that there is new plot and story - its the same episode - just like an episode of The Muppet Show has an act break, this episode just shifts grears more between acts). But the three parts of the Mother Goose episode were not produced as a group or a single episode; Henson does not see them as a single episode, but rather their proper three episodes.
If we are to group the three episodes here as one single episode we might as well get rid of The Three Ravens episode of The StoryTeller because that should just be included in its broadcast grouping of Episode 112: Food of The Jim Henson Hour. With Mother Goose Stores, and the 2 StoryTeller shows, I think episode numbers should be ommited due to the nature of how the show was produced, created and aired. The Disney Channel broadcast groupings are listed on the show's main page for people interested. -- BradFraggle 20:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
How about production number prefixes the way we do Muppets Tonight... Would that work? -- Scott Scarecroe 22:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Muppets Tonight is prefixed in the airing order (not production order). I'm not against pre-fixing them - just lumping the three independent episodes as one production. If someone has the full production order of the 39 episodes we could order the 39 episodes by when they were made. Or, like the other shows, we could order them in broadcast order ([[Episode 101: Pussy Cat, Pussy Cat]], [[Episode 102: Little Bo Peep]], [[Episode 103: Willie Winkle]]...)
Also, why aren't The StoryTeller or Greek Myths episodes numbered? -- BradFraggle 23:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh right, that's what I meant. If we could get our hands onthe production order of the shorts, it would be nice. But you're right, they were originally produced separately, so grouping them toegther the way they appear on home video isn't really correct.
StoryTeller should have episode numbers. I haven't looked at that yet. -- Scott Scarecroe 23:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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