To discuss article changes, please use:
If you see comments on this page, they remain for archive purposes.
We first talked about the episode titles that we're using in August 2006, back when the world was new and we didn't have as strict a reliance on things like facts or sources. Looking at these titles now, I'm a little embarrassed. I made up these titles for an issue of MuppetZine, and they don't really have any basis in fact.
These are the titles given in the Museum of Television and Radio guide:
- 101: "MuppeTelevision" and "Jim Henson's The StoryTeller: The Heartless Giant"
- 102: "MuppeTelevision" and "Lighthouse Island"
- 103: "MuppeTelevision" and "Jim Henson's The StoryTeller: The Soldier and Death"
- 104: "MuppeTelevision" and "Dog City"
- 105: "MuppeTelevision" and "Miss Piggy's Hollywood"
- 106: Monster Maker
- 107: "MuppeTelevision" and "The Song of the Cloud Forest"
- 108: "MuppeTelevision" and "The True Bride"
- 110: The Secrets of the Muppets
(MT&R doesn't have copies of episodes 109 or 112, and has the non-Henson Hour version of Living with Dinosaurs.)
I've written those out here as they're written in the guide, with quotation marks and all.
I think there's a few options for what we could do:
- Keep the episodes as is.
- Call them Episode 101 (The Jim Henson Hour), Episode 102 (The Jim Henson Hour), etc.
- Use the titles more or less as above, with a slash and no quote marks -- Episode 101: MuppeTelevision / The Heartless Giant, Episode 102: MuppeTelevision / Lighthouse Island, Episode 105: MuppeTelevision / Miss Piggy's Hollywood.
- For the MuppeTelevision segments, use the guest star, as we do with TMS episodes -- Episode 101: Louie Anderson / The Heartless Giant, Episode 102: Ted Danson / Lighthouse Island. Use "MuppeTelevision" for 112, which doesn't have a guest star.
- Just use the parts of the title that are actual titles -- Episode 101: The Heartless Giant, Episode 102: Lighthouse Island, Episode 105: Miss Piggy's Hollywood.
- My vote is for either number 2 or number 4. I noticed that during the Jim Henson Hour montage in The World of Jim Henson, titles appear as on-screen captions. The only MuppeTelevision episode shown is episode 105, which has the caption "Bobby McFerrin". Now, that could be because Bobby McFerrinw as in the clip, but the same documentary doesn't list guest star names in captions when Muppet Show clips with the guests are shown. --Minor muppetz 15:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- Another possible option, #6: Use the guest star of the MuppeTelevision segment, instead of the StoryTeller segments. Episode 101: Louie Anderson, Episode 102: Ted Danson, Episode 103: The Today Show, Episode 104: Dog City.
- This was noted on the forum, but This blog post contains documenta regarding the Henson/Disney deal, and lists the titles for all of the MuppeTelevision segments (even the Dog City pre-show sequence). A number of other productions are listed in the document with incorrect titles, but this is the only real source we have to the MuppeTelevision titles. The titles are: 101: Outer Space 102: Ocean 103: Power 104: Movie Trailer Parody of Classic Muppets 105: First Episode (I would have thought 112 was the real first epsiode) 107: Fitness 108: Videotape 109: Garbage and 112: Food. --Minor muppetz (talk) 19:45, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
Specials as Episodes
User:Henson Hour Historian added a few, but not all, specials which aired as part of specific episodes to this category. That's actually a pretty good idea, since outside of obvious examples like Dog City (special) and Episode 104: Dog City, it's not necessarily clear which specials aired in which episodes. But right now it also includes Sesame Street: 20 and Still Counting, which *almost* aired as part of the series, aired before the series premiered as a sort of advance promotion, and could be considered an *honorary* episode by fans. Yet I don't think that's enough to include it here. So here's two suggestions. One would be to simply take out Sesame Street and, since the others appear at the end, keep them there and add a note to the text (maybe above the note on air dates, which is more hardcore fan info than browsing. The other would be to create a "Category: Jim Henson Hour Specials," which could also include those which we have as episodes only because they took the full hour (Living with Dinosaurs, Monster Maker), but now that I think about it more, that could be redundant and just an extra step. So to sum up after that personal meditation, probably just a slight adjustment to the text take out 20 and Still Counting; it makes sense that users may remember Miss Piggy's Hollywood and Song of the Cloud Forest from the show and not check :Category:Muppet TV Specials or want to spend the time thumbing through each episode page to find them, but I don't think the same argument could be made for the Sesame special (which could be a see also, but I'm not sure even that's needed, for though it almost was part of the series, that's more of a trivia note than something that would cause most if any visitors to expect to see it listed as an episode). -- Andrew Leal (talk) 18:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- What about a "Category: Jim Henson Hour Segments"? It could include the 6 specials that aired on the show (which also aired as stand-alones later on), the 6 episodes of The Storyteller that aired as part of the show (which also aired as stand-alones), and MuppeTelevision (which also aired on its own as "The Jim Henson Show"). Plus (if we ever create any), we could dump any pages for any individual recurring segments/skits from "MuppeTelevision" or anything else of that nature in there too. -- Brad D. (talk) 04:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- That's not a bad idea, though as I said on the other talk page, I'm not sure about including the StoryTeller episodes (since they'd been produced independently and I'd have to check the airdates and articles I have, but I think nearly all of those six had already aired on their own in England). Does anyone else have any thoughts? Otherwise, at this point, I'm pretty much just concerned with taking out 20 and Still Counting, and the rest can stay as it is. -- Andrew Leal (talk) 05:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
episode title source
- I think they might come from the Museum of TV and Radio... or I might have made them up. I could check if I was home. -- Danny (talk) 00:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- The World of Television guide from MTR in 1993 lists the episodes as The Jim Henson Hour: "MuppeTelevision" and "The Soldier and Death," etc. If you made them up, other online resources are using your names (like TV.com). It would be nice to know what Henson calls them. — Scott (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- If there aren't any official titles given for the MuppeTelevision segments, then perhaps the article titles should be changed accordingly, to Episode 101:MuppeTelevision/The Heartless Giant, Episode 102:MuppeTelevision/Aquatic Life, and so on. --Minor muppetz 05:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- I just thought of something. The World of Jim Henson has a montage of various episodes/ specials from the series, with titles appearing on-screen. A clip from episode 105 is shown, with the on-screen "title" being Bobby McFerrin. So perhaps the titles were named after the guest stars, much like The Muppet Show and Muppets Tonight episodes. The name could have just been on-screen because the guest was on-screen, but clips with other celebrities don't include the celebrities names. But then if they are titled by guest stars, we still don't know what to do about the one non-guest star episode. --Minor muppetz 03:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)